I agree. its a useless feature that will shorten battery and starter life. Fot the pennies it will save in gas will never be offsetted by battery and starter replacement.

 

Wish they would make it a optional feature. That is the only thing that would deter me from getting a 2017 FE. Being retired I do not put enough miles on my vehicle to make it worth having. I know you can disable it by pushing a button but still would rather have it be my decision if I want it on my vehicle or not.

 

You are probably right about the CAFE numbers. I guess its better than going to a CVT trans to raise their numbers, which I am not a fan of. Love the FE 6 speed auto.

 

I have previously not liked CVTs, but the last vehicle I drove with a CVT (2015ish Toyota Corolla S - a rental in Canada) did surprisingly well. It felt like it was always in the correct gear, whether under heavy or light acceleration and had plenty of power for passing on the highway (downshifting). I don't like Nissan or Subaru's CVT - both felt weird to drive and felt weaker than previous generations of the same vehicle with conventional automatics. If the Toyota unit is the wave of the future and reliability is good, I say bring it on.

That said, my transmission preferences prior to the Toyota CVT were:
Manual
Wet clutch DCT
Conventional auto
Dry clutch DCT
CVT

Now, I'd probably put the CVT on one of the sides of the conventional auto. I'm partial to a good manual but realize that a well designed automatic today will easily outperform me driving a manual.

 

330+ to a tank [emoji7][emoji7] that's awesome. I'm looking to pick one up!


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Let's keep the discussion on "eliminating the stop/start technology", and not the CVT transmission.

 

stop start has a heavy duty starter!
built specifically for this feature!

 

Yes the Escape has a starter to handle all the restarts. The battery has been beefed up also to handle the restarts. Now that the temps have risen to the mid 90s here in Texas start stop function will be override due to extreme weather conditions. 2017 escape se.

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Start/Stop wear and tear

I have questioned many mechanics about the start/stop technology. Even if you have a stronger battery and starter, everyone agrees that starting your engine always puts extra wear on your engine since the oil will drain down to the pan and the rings and cylinder walls will get more wear during starting. Over time, the engine has to wear out quicker than if there was no start/stop.

Now to boot, yesterday my 2017 Escape went completely dead. No lights or starting. Completely DEAD! I had to have roadside assistance tow it back to the dealership where the service advisor told me he already had a couple of vehicles do this. They had to reprogram the module responsible for start/stop.

Hello Ford, if you are seeing these post, get rid of this useless technology!

 

I have questioned many mechanics about the start/stop technology. Even if you have a stronger battery and starter, everyone agrees that starting your engine always puts extra wear on your engine since the oil will drain down to the pan and the rings and cylinder walls will get more wear during starting. Over time, the engine has to wear out quicker than if there was no start/stop.

Now to boot, yesterday my 2017 Escape went completely dead. No lights or starting. Completely DEAD! I had to have roadside assistance tow it back to the dealership where the service advisor told me he already had a couple of vehicles do this. They had to reprogram the module responsible for start/stop.

This makes me wonder, if the dealer can reprogram the module... can they permanently disable start/stop as well so that it defaults to off instead of on when you start the vehicle? There has to be some way to program the computer to never enable S/S if you want

 

I don't think engine wear will be a big issue as it takes a long time for all the oil to drain back to the sump. I know here in Australia taxis often rack up huge distances without engine rebuilds- they're often getting stopped and restarted but with an engine and oil system up to working temperature. Repeated cold starts are bad for engine wear.

 

the start stop start cars have a beefed up starter "heavy duty"

 

I like the on/off feature and only turn it off when it is an extremely hot day. The first time I used this technology was on a rental car in Europe. On that one, the engine didn't start until you stepped on the gas. By having it start when you release the brake, there is no hesitation and it works great in my opinion.

 

roadshow
I'm with you. When someone figures it out I'm all in. I'm going to pay the dealership a visit on Monday. Maybe there's an app for that. I can only hope.

 

There are several videos on You Tube demonstrating how to disable start stop on the Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. All that is needed is to short the disable switch with a jumper wire apparently. Don't know if simolar strategy would work on the Escape though. Personally, I like the feature.

 

Maybe some talented and capable forum member can come up with a similar fix for the Escape and pass it on.

 

'17 Start / Stop?

I did a search on how to permanently disable the "Stop / Start feature. I found this:

Any comments? Will this work? Anyone have a better idea?


Thanks: Dave

 

I am seeing over 330+ miles per tank before my low fuel warning comes on...

I think you will find that the 2017 FE has a larger gas tank?

 

Permanent way to disable Stop/Start feature on a 2017?

Is there a way to permanently disable to Auto Start/Stop feature on a 2017 Escape?

Depressing the dash button gets tiring over a period of time.

 

Is there a way to permanently disable to Auto Start/Stop feature on a 2017 Escape?

Depressing the dash button gets tiring over a period of time.

There is not. Some have tried to see if it is possible with some programming stuff but to no avail as of yet.

You might get a message about searching soon, juts letting you know.

 

No one on here has tried to bypass the dash switch? Per the Youtube video for a F150? I have searched this subject--got a whole page of threads. The ones that seemed the most hopeful-- didn't seem to offer a solution. And they were dated.

And I seem to remember that someone suggested leaving the defroster on to make the computer disengage the S/S feature.

 

I seem to remember that someone suggested leaving the defroster on to make the computer disengage the S/S feature.

YES that's what I am doing now and it works fine in "heat" mode. I hope it works as well in A/C mode

 

I permanently disabled mine on my 2017 FE SE. You need to remove the trim holding the stop/start switch to unplug the harness connection to the switch.

I then made a 1" jumper and connected the white wire and black/purple wire if I recall correctly on the harness plug.

Then I plugged the switch back on the harness and reattached the trim. When I turn on the ignition the switch indicates 'off' all the time. It's been that way for four months now and worksave flawlessly.

 

And the jumper hasn't caused the check engine light to turn on? I'm not trying to argue with success but it just seems odd that the computer doesn't recognize that the momentary switch is now constantly in the pressed on position.

 

I merged the new thread, Permanent way to disable Stop/Start feature on a 2017 with this existing thread on the same topic.

 

I don't use it but since the button is close to the shifter it's no big problem hitting it when I start the FE and put it in gear. Once in a while I forget and when Im at a stop and it shuts off I hit the button and it starts back up and is bypassed. On the F-150 in the video its on top so I can see that being a little pain.

Thing is, like in that video, I don't know if I would use that "jumper wire" left connected like that all the time.
The switch is a "momentary push button" which means when you push it, you make a quick connection, and when the button comes back out, there is no more connection. Maybe a Relay is being energized or something ? Not sure, but if it's a "momentary push button" and your permanently using a jumper wire to make a permanent connection I would be worried about doing that. The jumper wire is energizing something all the time, not just for a second like when you push the button.

 

No .... there are no codes generated on the odb 2 scanner either. It's evident that the OBC reads the jumpered switch as in the off position. I doubt that there are any relays involved as evidenced the can- bus design.

 

Personally, I don't have enough confidence in my self to try the "jumper" thing. With my luck I'd cause a fire and not only would I not have a car but I would be homeless too. Car's in the attached garage lol
Leaving the defroster on works ok for me

 

Thanks Old vic, that start/stop feature would be a deal breaker for me. With an easy work around like this, I can put the Escape back near the top of our list of cars to look at for our next purchase.

 

I thought I only felt the same way. My 1st choice was for a new Escape. Soon as I seen the Stop/start thing I though "forget that" hassle to hit that button all the time. Then other options for small SUV either had low Horsepower engines and no choices, CVT transmission which I knew I would not like. So I was back to the Escape. Shift lever is right by the stop/ start button so it's 99% automatic I hit the button to bypass and never think about it, and the one or 2 times I forget when I come to a stop I hit the button, starts back up, and I'm good to go. It really became an automatic thing to hit the button so it's no problem. I thought it would be a major pain having to do it every time. Was told before they might be working on being able to program it the other way. Off all the time and on with the button but haven't heard any updates. I happen to go past the deal earlier today and didn't think of it I could have ran in there and asked the service tech I sorta got to know if it was possible.

 

The start/stop feature was enough for us NOT to purchase the new escape(Are you listening Ford?) and a CRV was purchased instead

 

IMO, seems like a really lame way to decide against a vehicle. Especially on a feature that is so easy to disable for each trip. I think you just wanted to rant a little on a feature you and your wife didn't like. I am also guessing that you would have gotten the CRV even if Ford did have a permanent way to disable this feature.

Anyway, I highly doubt Ford is worrying too much about you getting your CRV instead of a FE.

 

IMO, seems like a really lame way to decide against a vehicle. Especially on a feature that is so easy to disable for each trip. I think you just wanted to rant a little on a feature you and your wife didn't like. I am also guessing that you would have gotten the CRV even if Ford did have a permanent way to disable this feature.

Yep, I would completely agree. I still don't understand everyone's distaste for start/stop. Every drop of fuel burned while sitting at a stop is completely wasted. What's wrong with a system that limits this waste?

 

I personally think it is a good reason to choose the FE over the CRV. I am glad I have it.