However, they all are “open deck” engine block designs. The 2.5 Atkinson is not. It is closed deck.
Ford Ecoboost engines class action lawsuit
Ford EcoBoost Problems Lead To Class Action Lawsuit
Ford EcoBoost problems have caused a class action lawsuit that alleges 1.5-liter, 1.6-liter and 2-liter EcoBoost engines allow coolant to leak into the cylinders. According to the lawsuit, these Ford and Lincoln vehicles allegedly suffer from cracked cylinder heads, inadequate seals and total...
www.carcomplaints.com
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I agree that a closed deck design is far less likely to have coolant leak problems than an open deck, but properly designed (not cheaped out) they can be strong and dependable.However, they all are “open deck” engine block designs. The 2.5 Atkinson is not. It is closed deck.
The 2.3L EcoBoost is also an open deck design, but:
"The engine was built around a high-pressure die-cast open deck aluminum cylinder block. While the bore size and deck height same as 2.0L EcoBoost, the 2.3L engine block has enlarged oil and cooling passages and a structural ladder frame (strengthening ribs molded around the cylinders) with integrated main bearing caps." -Motorrevewer.com
there have been head gasket failures in mostly earlier applications, but closed decks aren't immune to this, either.
I found what you said to be most interesting and informative. If I read the article correctly, I am surmising that in the 2.3 there are some additional supports for the cylinders to help prevent deformation at high pressures. If this is correct, it would seem to me that it might aid in preventing the deformation of the cylinder sleeve under the higher pressures. My theory is that the open deck design of the 1.6, 1.5, and 2.0 engines is due to a lack of robustness in that area and leads to a situation where assembly tolerances are much smaller. That, combined with the fact that some drivers cannot help but "open up and test the turbo hard" when they drive, MAY explain why there are many failures along with many that seem to last a long time. I doubt we will ever see the data from Ford that could shed light on this.I agree that a closed deck design is far less likely to have coolant leak problems than an open deck, but properly designed (not cheaped out) they can be strong and dependable.
The 2.3L EcoBoost is also an open deck design, but:
"The engine was built around a high-pressure die-cast open deck aluminum cylinder block. While the bore size and deck height same as 2.0L EcoBoost, the 2.3L engine block has enlarged oil and cooling passages and a structural ladder frame (strengthening ribs molded around the cylinders) with integrated main bearing caps." -Motorrevewer.com
there have been head gasket failures in mostly earlier applications, but closed decks aren't immune to this, either.
"When an Ecoboost engine overheats or fails after the expiration of a vehicle’s warranty, a driver is left to pay out of pocket for repairs and may even have to return for repeated service visits, the suit says. These repairs, according to the case, can include a full engine replacement costing thousands of dollars." if this does go to court, and Ford loses, does this mean they pay a pretty penny? of course most of it always goes to the lawyers....
Finally got a dealership to load the latest greatest software.....................totally different vehicle now......it appears they fixed it!
Ford EcoBoost Engine Problems Cause Class Action Lawsuit
A Ford class action lawsuit alleges EcoBoost engine problems exist in 2013-2019 Ford Escape, 2015-2019 Ford Edge, 2017-2019 Lincoln MKC and 2017-2019 Lincoln MKZ vehicles. The alleged Ford EcoBoost engine issues allegedly occur in 1.5L, 1.6L and 2.0L vehicles which cause engine coolant to leak...
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I've moved your new thread @waverunner10 to the existing thread you started 4 months ago. It's best to keep this sort of info in the one thread. Feel free to "bump it up" via posting on this one if there's new info.Ford EcoBoost Engine Problems Cause Class Action Lawsuit
A Ford class action lawsuit alleges EcoBoost engine problems exist in 2013-2019 Ford Escape, 2015-2019 Ford Edge, 2017-2019 Lincoln MKC and 2017-2019 Lincoln MKZ vehicles. The alleged Ford EcoBoost engine issues allegedly occur in 1.5L, 1.6L and 2.0L vehicles which cause engine coolant to leak...www.carcomplaints.com
Strange.Arkansas plaintiff Patricia Lund says she owned a used 2016 Ford Escape equipped with a 2-liter EcoBoost engine. The lawsuit doesn't allege the plaintiff's vehicle suffered any engine problems, but she says Ford should have told her the Escape was defective.
From what I have read and seen from posts and videos by Ford Service Techs, in 2020 they eliminated the coolant slit in the top of the block between the cylinders (around mid 2019) and replaced it with a block that does not have the slit but does have hole under the top of the block to allow for coolant passage. This is a significantly different block design relative to how much sealing surface is present and whether or not coolant "sits" in the slit and degrades the gasket over time. Also, I would like to know what others think about why maybe the 2.0 does not fail as often. Here are some of my thoughts, comments?Does anyone know details of what changes were made to the 2020 ecoboost engines to not be included in the lawsuit ?
1) Maybe the block and head do not get as hot since it does not have to work as hard and there is less movement from thermal expansion and contraction of the cylinder walls relative to the head at the sealing surface? 2) Maybe the smallest width dimension of sealing surfaces between the cylinder and slit are slightly larger for the 2.0? I have no data to support either of these but thought maybe someone visiting this forum may have this information.
Don't forget the1.5l EcoBoost in the 2020 is also a new 3 cylinder engine. Most of the failures posted here seem to related to the older 1.5l 4 cylinder EcoBoost, with lower numbers for the 2.0l EcoBoost (mainly the updated twin scroll version.)
FYI the 2 liter twin scroll is in the 2016 models and up!
the 2013,2014,and 2015 have the single scroll.
To my knowledge there have been no problems with the single scroll 2 liter engines
the 2013,2014,and 2015 have the single scroll.
To my knowledge there have been no problems with the single scroll 2 liter engines
I believe the twin scroll starts at 2017 MY.FYI the 2 liter twin scroll is in the 2016 models and up!
the 2013,2014,and 2015 have the single scroll.
To my knowledge there have been no problems with the single scroll 2 liter engines
Ford 2.0L EcoBoost Engine Info, Power, Specs, Wiki
Complete information on the Ford 2.0L EcoBoost engine, including detailed info, specs, vehicle applications, horsepower, torque, materials, emissions and more.
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Seems the pending Class Action is still on but no update since December.
www.classaction.org
Newer Ford, Lincoln Vehicles Plagued by Ecoboost Engine Defect Linked to Coolant Leaks, Class Action Says
A class action alleges certain 2013-2019 Ford and Lincoln vehicles equipped with an Ecoboost engine suffer from a defect that can cause coolant leakage and other serious damage.
www.classaction.org
Unless this lawsuit somehow finds its way in the media and it affects Ford's sales - this isn't going to get done anytime soon. Ford is basically going to play the waiting game because it would rather pay the fee for the lawyers then pay for the settlement. Ford is probably hoping for..
1. The lawsuit to get washed away somehow.
2. Find a deal that favors them.
3. Wait until something reports this to the point where it actually hurts the company more then to keep things as it is now.
Sad really. I'm a big Ford guy but it's these sort of things that make me want to buy from another company. Then again...every company has issues like these so I guess I'll go back to horse and buggy again.
1. The lawsuit to get washed away somehow.
2. Find a deal that favors them.
3. Wait until something reports this to the point where it actually hurts the company more then to keep things as it is now.
Sad really. I'm a big Ford guy but it's these sort of things that make me want to buy from another company. Then again...every company has issues like these so I guess I'll go back to horse and buggy again.
I feel like it won’t just go away. I was shocked to see it showing up on the consumer reports reliability ratings. 17-19 show worse engine reliability than even the 1.6 years. I’d be surprised if they don’t settle by extending the warranty
Here is a class action suit being heard in California, March 2021. Ford submitted arguments to dismiss as they say they have evidence they have replaced these under warranty as presented and they made no claims of engine reliability or responsibility past the warranty date.
Ford EcoBoost Engine Problems Cause Class Action Lawsuit | CarComplaints.com
Ford EcoBoost Engine Problems Cause Class Action Lawsuit | CarComplaints.com
I'm just glad/lucky mine has been flawless. Well, I had the battery replaced 2 months after buying it. My wife is no longer driving so, I'm sniffing around for a 2021 Ranger Lariat. Not holding my breath tho.Here is a class action suit being heard in California, March 2021. Ford submitted arguments to dismiss as they say they have evidence they have replaced these under warranty as presented and they made no claims of engine reliability or responsibility past the warranty date.
Ford EcoBoost Engine Problems Cause Class Action Lawsuit | CarComplaints.com
How and who determines the outcome of these Auto Class Actions??,..Judges, Juries, Both??
Don't they have to be auto tech savvy in order to determine whats fair or not..??
Don't they have to be auto tech savvy in order to determine whats fair or not..??
This is my understanding of the process.How and who determines the outcome of these Auto Class Actions??,..Judges, Juries, Both??
Don't they have to be auto tech savvy in order to determine whats fair or not..??
After a "discovery" process, the judge presiding over the lawsuit will review the settlement to determine if it provides fair and adequate compensation to the class members. The settlement does not become final until the judge issues an order approving it. If the lawsuit does not settle, (many settle before trial) the case will be tried before a jury in a court of law.
Thanks, Now how does this then become a recall??...Does the judge order that too or the NHTSA has the power to decide this?This is my understanding of the process.
After a "discovery" process, the judge presiding over the lawsuit will review the settlement to determine if it provides fair and adequate compensation to the class members. The settlement does not become final until the judge issues an order approving it. If the lawsuit does not settle, (many settle before trial) the case will be tried before a jury in a court of law.
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