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Very good video with a clear explanation of the issue. I wonder whether the Valencia manufacturing plant 2L blocks were the same design from 2017 to 2019 as I have not heard of a coolant intrusion issue with them.
It only seemed to affect the blocks made at the Cleveland plant in the US and I seem to remember seeing videos regarding this but please correct me if I am wrong. ;)
I would have thought all the Ford Ecape blocks would have been the same design at that time though unless the Valencia plant did something different during assembly to counteract the issue such as sturdier cylinder head gaskets or whatever.
 

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They don't have to say that. It's a design flaw. It's not like they used cheap gaskets on some and only those engines failed. Failures have happened at various mileage.
Of course it is a design flaw and many engines regardless of car brands have various design flaws but that does not mean that every 2L Ecoboost engine from 2017 to 2019 will fail at some point, most will not.
I know this particular flaw is well documented but you only hear on forums etc. from people who have issues with various engine types. As suggested earlier you never hear from the vast majority of those who never have problems.
Also, as mentioned earlier, for some reason the vast majority of failed 2L engines have come from the Cleveland plant rather than the Valencia plant which supplied these cars to Europe and Australia etc.
 

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Reported on here? That makes sense given the extremely small number of members on here from the countries supplied by the Valencia plant. (Parts of UK/ Europe, South Africa, NZ, Australia ?) The UK and Europe also seem to favour the diesel engine options and don't even get the 2.0l EcoBoost engine. I think most do get the 1.5l EcoBoost. There are over 38k members on here with most being from North America.
No...not reported here necessarily, but shown on US and European videos and reports that were not connected with this forum but I recall that at least one video was shown here advising people (in general) to avoid the Cleveland engine if possible in favour of the Valencia built engine of that era if you are buying a used Escape and where to find the build sticker. In saying that it does not mean that every Cleveland built engine will fail as stated earlier.
I am well aware that the vast majority on this forum are from the US and would be dealing with the Cleveland built engine in the eras mentioned and therefore would have the most issues compared to other countries regardless of engine manufacture.
I am merely endeavouring to point out that regardless of views here according to reports on other sites engineers say that the Valencia plant engines of that era were more reliable as far as coolant intrusion is concerned. I have no idea why because as I said they all use the same block to my knowledge.
 

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I've read one incident here of the Valencia engine and one somewhere else. Also most board members are from America so their experiences are shared more than other countries.
And that is exactly what I said in my last comment and almost all Escape engines from 2017 to 2019 in the US would be made at the Cleveland factory obviously
 

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Neither of those were the videos I was referring to. The video I tried to post earlier actually was from an engineer but Moderators will not allow me to post it due to contrary advertising content or whatever but it can be googled.

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If the Valencia manufactured engines were different/stronger/better, then I must have had the only dud engine manufactured in Valencia, lasted all of 26 500km before coolant intrusion due to the absolute lousy design. A real pity, as the Kuga is, for me, a great vehicle, (we are on our third one) and our last because Ford did not bring version 4 into South Africa. This was as a result of the engine fires in the 1.6 models due to coolant loss and subsequent engine damage and hot oil spraying over the engine. The Kuga was the top selling SUV in SA before the engine problems, and the demand died overnight once the fires started. Our models are pretty much the same as the Australian and NZ models, with the same problems, I should imagine.
Sorry to hear that and yes, Australia did get the Valencia built Escapes and I have heard of at least one engine failure here due to coolant intrusion.
There may be more but the vast majority have not failed including mine and approx. 13,000 Escapes were sold in Australia from 2017 to 2019. Some would have been diesels but the majority were Ecoboost petrol models.
 

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Scotty Kilmer isn't an engineer- this is from his Youtube channel:



The MACTFORDEdge video you tried to post (post #3 in the linked thread) is likely the one I posted above. That's by the same person.

This is his Youtube channel description:



Doesn't seem to even be a qualified mechanic? The wording in that video is also more he's suggesting a theory they may be more reliable.
I never said Scotty Kilmer was an engineer, no idea where you got that from and I am well aware that he is a mechanic with a YouTube channel.
Also the video I was trying to post was not the one you are describing and the guy involved in the particular video I referred to was an engineer according to the accompanying transcript. As I said previously my video was not allowed by the forum due to the reasons stated above but your video was, so obviously they are different videos.
For god's sake, all I am saying is that according to reports (not here) the Ecoboost engines in the 2017 to 2019 era made in Valencia seemed to be more reliable regarding coolant intrusion issues than those made by the Cleveland factory for whatever reason.
I am not saying the reports are factual, only that they seem to be consistent.
I understand that the percentage of engines coming out of the Valencia plant would be much lower than the Cleveland ones overall due to the much higher sales of the Escape and other vehicles with Ecoboost engines in the US at that time so it is hard to put a figure on comparitive failures.
Like most others here I am just relying on (hopefully) reliable research and not just views of mechanics.
If you don't agree with me or my research that's fine, we all are entitled to our own views.
Please just allow me to have a view like everyone else here without deliberately contradicting much of what I say for some reason, not only on this post but on some of my previous posts.
Strangely enough I have never had contradictions or complaints from other moderators, administrators or posters here. I am not deliberately giving out false or misleading information so I am at a loss to know what your problem is with me.
I am not an engineer but I have been around a long time and a car owner/driver for over 60 years like some others here and I am not one to make wild statements without some sort of reliable research.
I have made over 2,700 posts here in the last 4 years to voice a view and in many cases to hopefully help others or be helped by them. Over the years I have had many public and private messages here thanking me for help, particularly with sync3 issues and I have reciprocated in kind to those who have helped me.
I enjoy this forum and the info and views expressed and I never rubbish anyone's opinions here but at my age I could certainly do without this hassle and I resent the inference from you that I am continually wrong in many posts.
I am on quite a few other forums and have never had issues with my posts and replies etc.
However if you, as a moderator, or any other posters here are not happy with my contribution, please let me know and I will leave the forum.
 
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