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Hi,

I've got a 2013 Escape 2.0 FWD that about a month ago had a message come up "Engine Fault - Service Now" and started running really rough. After stopping and restarting the vehicle, the message went away and it ran normally. I brought it into the dealer, they couldn't find any problem (no codes, couldn't duplicate it) so they cleared the computer and told me to let them know if it recurred.

A week or so later, the problem happened again, I took a picture of the message that was displayed and sent in a vehicle health report, and brought it back in the next day. Again, they couldn't find any codes in the computer. They kept it a couple of days and still couldn't duplicate it. I mentioned TSB 13-12-12, as I had seen quite a few posts from others who had the issue and the TSB seems to describe what I was experiencing almost exactly, and they immediately dismissed it because my vehicle apparently didn't have that defect.

A couple weeks passed and I was hopeful that maybe it was OK now, but then it happened again this evening (always after the dealership is closed). This time I was prepared, I had purchased a Bluetooth OBD2 adapter (GoPoint BT1) and downloaded the DashCommand app for my iPhone, and was able to read the codes when it happened (P0236 - Turbocharger/Supercharger Boost Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance). It showed as a pending code. I stopped/started the vehicle and it again went away. However this time, I had to make another stop before heading home and this time, the problem came back and set a stored P0236 code, which apparently lights the check engine light and does not reset when restarting the vehicle (though the symptoms of the issue/engine fault did go away after the restart, but the check engine light stayed). I'm hoping this time I can convince the dealership that maybe 13-12-12 is applicable (P0236 is mentioned, as well as it doesn't always set the code).

Has anyone else had issues with the dealership saying that this isn't the issue, and later found out that it was? I'm also surprised that they couldn't get anything useful from the VHR even when I ran it when the problem was happening. I've got the Ford ESP PremiumCare extended warranty, so I'm good for 7 years/125,000 miles, and I assume this would be covered. Going to give it another try with the dealership, however anyone have any advice on next steps if they still can't/won't fix it?

Thanks,
Brian

Electrical - Hard Start, Low Power, Runs Rough, DTC P0106/P0236

TSB 13-12-12

12/06/13
1.6L OR 2.0L GTDI ENGINE - DRIVABILITY CONCERNS WITH DTCS
P0106, P0236 - OR ENGINE FAULT SERVICE ENGINE NOW MESSAGE
WITHOUT DTCS - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 10/24/2013

FORD:
2013-2014 Escape

This article supersedes TSB 13-7-5 to add a production fix date, update the vehicle model years, Issue Statement, Part List and Service Procedure.

ISSUE
Some 2013-2014 Escape vehicles equipped with 1.6L or 2.0L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engines and built on or before 10/24/2013 may exhibit difficult to start, runs rough, crank no-start, lack of power, loss of RPM or hesitation concerns with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0106 and/or P0236. An Engine Fault Service Engine Now message may also be displayed without any DTCs in self test. These conditions may be caused by a wiring concern in the signal return splices.

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Follow the Service Procedure Steps to correct the condition.
 

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Perhaps now with the stored code, they'll have something to go on...
 

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I think you should have enough evidence now for them to do something. And with the CE light still lit they should be able to pull the codes. You may want to reach out to ford customer service on here to have them open a case for you.
 

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I dropped it off at the dealership last week Thursday, got a call saying they had to replace the MAP sensor and that they should get the part Monday, and I just got my Escape back today. They said TSB 14-00-34 was followed, and while the problem is similar, it's not as close a match as TSB 13-12-12. Here's what this TSB says:

TSB 14-0034

02/20/14

1.6L GTDI / 2.0L GTDI - SERVICE ENGINE SOON LIGHT - DTCS P007B/P0236/P06A7
FORD:
2013-2014 Fusion


LINCOLN:
2014 MKZ


FORD:
2013-2014 Escape


ISSUE
Some 2013-2014 Escape vehicles built on or before 10/22/2013, 2013-2014 Fusion and 2014 MKZ vehicles built on or before 10/18/2013 and equipped with 1.6L or 2.0L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engines may exhibit difficult to start, runs rough at start up, crank no start, lack of power, loss of RPM or hesitation concerns with diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P007B or P0236 along with P06A7 stored in powertrain control module memory (PCM).


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Follow the Service Procedure Steps to correct the condition.


SERVICE PROCEDURE
1. Using Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), check for DTCs.

2. Does the vehicle exhibit a driveability concern with DTC P007B or P0236 along with P06A7 stored?


a. Yes - replace TCBP/CACT/MAPT sensor and fastener. Torque the fastener to 4.1 Nm +/- .7 Nm (36.3 lb-in +/- 6.2lb-in). Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), section 303-14, and Wiring Diagram, Section 5-1. (Figures 1 and 2)

(1) Other DTCs may also be present along with P007B, P0236 and P06A7, which share the VREF circuit.

(2) 1.6L GTDI engine TCBP/CACT (MAPT) sensor location. (Figure 1)

(3) 2.0L GTDI engine TCBP/CACT (MAPT) sensor location. (Figure 2)

b. No - Perform normal Workshop Manual diagnostics.
Hopefully this one fixes it, if not I'll revisit 13-12-12 again and PM FordService with my info to see if they have any insight.
 

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You may want to reach out to ford customer service on here to have them open a case for you.
Hey SteveTurbo,

Thanks for the mention, and have a wonderful day! :D

Hopefully this one fixes it, if not I'll revisit 13-12-12 again and PM FordService with my info to see if they have any insight.
Thanks for the update, brianwi.

Be sure to keep an eye on it. If you need assistance in the future, don’t hesitate to reach out to me! :)

Tricia
 

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I have had the same issue happen to me a couple of times but I discovered how it would happen (for my vehicle anyways). If I would use the push button start then immediately reach for the shift knob and put it into reverse/drive before the engine has had plenty of time to finish it's startup I found this issue would happen. Shutting the car off and restarting would always make it clear itself up.


basically if I am in a rush and try to hurry and back out pull away from my spot immediately after pressing the start button I noticed this would cause this issue. im not sure if you can duplicate the problem that way or can recall if these issues arose during a hurried trip you were making but it would be worth trying to duplicate maybe?
 

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I have had the same issue happen to me a couple of times but I discovered how it would happen (for my vehicle anyways)...
Hello Ties,

Thanks for sharing your experience, and I’m glad to learn that all is well your way.

If you need anything, just give me a shout! :)

Tricia
 

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Problem happened again yesterday, called the service advisor I've been dealing with at my Ford dealership, and he said he's going to have the mechanic contact Ford about the issue before he has me bring it in again.


Tricia, I will PM you my vehicle and dealer information.


Brian
 

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Hi,

I've got a 2013 Escape 2.0 FWD that about a month ago had a message come up "Engine Fault - Service Now" and started running really rough. After stopping and restarting the vehicle, the message went away and it ran normally. I brought it into the dealer, they couldn't find any problem (no codes, couldn't duplicate it) so they cleared the computer and told me to let them know if it recurred.

A week or so later, the problem happened again, I took a picture of the message that was displayed and sent in a vehicle health report, and brought it back in the next day. Again, they couldn't find any codes in the computer. They kept it a couple of days and still couldn't duplicate it. I mentioned TSB 13-12-12, as I had seen quite a few posts from others who had the issue and the TSB seems to describe what I was experiencing almost exactly, and they immediately dismissed it because my vehicle apparently didn't have that defect.

A couple weeks passed and I was hopeful that maybe it was OK now, but then it happened again this evening (always after the dealership is closed). This time I was prepared, I had purchased a Bluetooth OBD2 adapter (GoPoint BT1) and downloaded the DashCommand app for my iPhone, and was able to read the codes when it happened (P0236 - Turbocharger/Supercharger Boost Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance). It showed as a pending code. I stopped/started the vehicle and it again went away. However this time, I had to make another stop before heading home and this time, the problem came back and set a stored P0236 code, which apparently lights the check engine light and does not reset when restarting the vehicle (though the symptoms of the issue/engine fault did go away after the restart, but the check engine light stayed). I'm hoping this time I can convince the dealership that maybe 13-12-12 is applicable (P0236 is mentioned, as well as it doesn't always set the code).

Has anyone else had issues with the dealership saying that this isn't the issue, and later found out that it was? I'm also surprised that they couldn't get anything useful from the VHR even when I ran it when the problem was happening. I've got the Ford ESP PremiumCare extended warranty, so I'm good for 7 years/125,000 miles, and I assume this would be covered. Going to give it another try with the dealership, however anyone have any advice on next steps if they still can't/won't fix it?

Thanks,
Brian

Electrical - Hard Start, Low Power, Runs Rough, DTC P0106/P0236

TSB 13-12-12

12/06/13
1.6L OR 2.0L GTDI ENGINE - DRIVABILITY CONCERNS WITH DTCS
P0106, P0236 - OR ENGINE FAULT SERVICE ENGINE NOW MESSAGE
WITHOUT DTCS - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 10/24/2013

FORD:
2013-2014 Escape

This article supersedes TSB 13-7-5 to add a production fix date, update the vehicle model years, Issue Statement, Part List and Service Procedure.

ISSUE
Some 2013-2014 Escape vehicles equipped with 1.6L or 2.0L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engines and built on or before 10/24/2013 may exhibit difficult to start, runs rough, crank no-start, lack of power, loss of RPM or hesitation concerns with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0106 and/or P0236. An Engine Fault Service Engine Now message may also be displayed without any DTCs in self test. These conditions may be caused by a wiring concern in the signal return splices.

ACTION
Follow the Service Procedure Steps to correct the condition.
Mine was doing the same thing back when the recall for the wiring harness splices came out and every time I called the dealer about getting the recall done, they said they could not do anything till the parts came out from ford, so I fixed it myself, since my wife was not comfortable driving it like that. It runs perfect now.
 

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I was hoping not to have to update the thread again, as I had my Escape in for service from 8/4/15 - 8/11/15, they replaced the PCM and the problem did not recur until this past Saturday 9/26/15. I took it back into the dealership that morning while it was happening, however they didn't have anyone on staff who could do diagnostics at the time. I've made another appointment with the dealership to have them take another look, it's just frustrating that it happens with no warning, and if I don't get it in while it's happening, there often isn't any evidence that it even happened. And I'm planning on taking a 2000+ mile trip in less than two weeks, so hopefully it can be fixed before then. Or at least a comparable sized loaner will be provided.
 

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Mines doing the same thing

Since my vehicle is out of warranty is there anywhere you can buy the harness? Looks like I might be doing this one myself.
 

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Since my vehicle is out of warranty is there anywhere you can buy the harness? Looks like I might be doing this one myself.
I would 1st make sure all recalls have been done, they will be performed at no cost regardless of warranty status.
 

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Since my vehicle is out of warranty is there anywhere you can buy the harness? Looks like I might be doing this one myself.
If you are referring to the wiring splice recall, the repair is not accomplished by replacing a harness. The recall repair involves locating specific wires within a bundle of about 20 wires. Then you have to re-solder some splices back together. It's not terrible difficult to do and I believe a video exists online showing the whole procedure.
 

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Stalling code not found by Dealer

How do I get How do I get a dealer to check for this problem for my used 2013 Escape? No one will help find out why my little car won't stop stalling in left turns.
TSB Number: TSB-13-12-12NHTSA Number: 10054363TSB Date: November 28, 2013Date Added to File: January 15, 2014 Failing Component:
Electrical System Summary:
Ford: diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0106, P0236, for loss of rpm, hesitation, difficult to start, crank no start, runs rough, lack of power and also a message displayed-engine fault service engine now may be caused by wiring in signal
 

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Hi I'm Erick. I got a 2013 Ford Escape and started doing all the symptoms that you guys posted before, the recall for the splices got done a year ago but the dealership can't find the problem. The tech is pinpointing to figure out these things but keep saying there's no recall for that and there are a lot of us with this issue. What is the latest update on this fault?
 

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Update to Stalling Issue: I ended up having one of the “brains” replaced (behind the glove box), the negative battery cable, a fuel indicator and both wiring harnesses replaced, since they could not identify the correct one. The dealer had the car for 8 weeks because they had no “codes” to go by. I asked for a seasoned mechanic to go through the process and he found the wiring problem in 3 days of badic testing from scratch. It cost me $5,000., but I finally have my Escape back. I have owned the car for 15 months and have only been able to drive it without issue for 10 months. It was not a pleasant experience, but using the 2 recalls as a bargaining chip I finally got results. I have been back to driving for 2 months now and think we got it right. Too bad I like it so much, I could have bought a new one with all of the $$ I had to pay!
 

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My Escape was serviced today(rear front brakes changed, and a transmission fluid change NOT a flush) at 84,000 miles.
I drive up Interstate 65 the MPG is reading lower than usual, and shifts hard, horrible downshifting.
Maybe the service technicians at this dealership didn't add enough fluid?
Was working fine until it received the service.
I bought the car at 29,000 miles, and figured 45,000 miles would be good to get the fluid changed since I have no knowledge of it being done before I purchased it.
 

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Your title makes it sound like a dash warning light came on.

So was it a Ford dealership? If it was, why did you do that?
 

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Yes the dash light came on, and yes it was a Ford dealership.
I have been driving almost 50,000 miles on the same fluid for over 2 years so I figured it was time to change some of it out, and let the Ford dealership do it.
 
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