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This was posted on another site. I wanted to get this out there so that the awareness level is started. Look out for DTC P1450.

"Whenever you put gas in it, the car starts and them immediately stalls. It takes multiple attempts to start it. Once it starts, it runs fine and starts and stops fine. It throws code P1450, which indicates excessive vacuum in the evaporative system. Now in most vehicles, including older escapes, this isn't a big deal. Its actually a common issue, and is a known issue for Fords. Usually this is caused by a bad purge solenoid, or simply a clogged/dirty evap canister or hoses. You can literally replace the entire system in this car for a couple hundred dollars in parts. On the escape there is actually a replaceable pre-filter for the canister, and you can usually take these things apart and clean them out. The problem is that Ford in its infinite wisdom decided to locate the evap box, filter, and vent solenoid in a place under the car that can only be reached by removing the entire rear subframe. This involves disconnecting and removing the rear brakes, suspension, drivetrain, and any wiring from the rear of the car. In the past evap canisters were often located under the hood and when they were located under the vehicle, they were accessible. This was a simple job I was hoping to do myself, but unfortunately, it cannot be done without a lift and an extended transmission jack, plus hours of teardown, brake work, etc."


I have looked under the rear end and sure enough, its buried way deep in there. I stuck my iphone up in there last night to get a picture. For those of you with workshop manuals or experience please chime in. I'm still looking for a purge valve in the engine bay. The workshop manual is very vague and Tasca parts or motorcraft doesnt even list one, so I'm wondering if this new "system" even has a traditional purge valve to check your vacuum. Someone told me that even if there is one in the engine bay, you have to take off the intake to get to it. That kinda makes it hard to check your vacuum. Thanks Ford.



Sorry for the long thread.
 
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And a follow-up to the above thread. They took it to the dealer. And I quote:

" They went through the diagnostic process and determined that the problem is exactly what I thought it was. The purge solenoid was stuck open. Failures of these purge solenoids apparently are a common problem ever since a redesign in 2009. This failure caused an over vacuum state in the evaporation system that sucked gasoline into the purge canister ruining it and causing the stalling problems. Also, as indicated by the service manual, because the canister is located where it is, they will have to remove the rear subframe, including suspension, driveline, brakes, etc., to replace it. All in all the price quoted to me by Bowditch is also what I suspected including the diagnostic, at approximately $700. All of this for a $26 part that commonly goes bad."

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Ya Hoo, another interweb panic thread, gotta love 'em (nice touch with "Nightmare" in the headline - you have a future in tabloid publication ;-) !!!!!
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".... All of this for a $26 part that commonly goes bad." ....
(note above are not HayaiKuruma's words, that's a quote within the quote from the post he cites)

Yep, so very common to the '13+ FE that it's not come up yet on this forum with hundreds of active '13 FE owners and the only thread on the topic on the similarly large 'source' forum is by one owner (who has posted on yet another forum this tale of woe).

No pardon asked, yes my reply is dripping with sarcasm.

Stay calm, folks.
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Ya Hoo, another interweb panic thread, gotta love 'em (nice touch with "Nightmare" in the headline - you have a future in tabloid publication ;-) !!!!!
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(note above are not HayaiKuruma's words, that's a quote within the quote from the post he cites)

Yep, so very common to the '13+ FE that it's not come up yet on this forum with hundreds of active '13 FE owners and the only thread on the topic on the similarly large 'source' forum is by one owner (who has posted on yet another forum this tale of woe).

No pardon asked, yes my reply is dripping with sarcasm.

Stay calm, folks.
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You know, I merely posted this because someone else has gone through quite a bit of "woe" with their Escape. And as I stated, this is merely an awareness post that may come into play. What I didn't post was this persons mileage, which was around 85,000. This is why it is not that common. Your smart aleck comments are not helpful or appreciated. If only there was a "hide member" button.
 

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Excellent.
 

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I've got a 2013 FE Titanium that just threw this code.. I cleared it and it hasn't had any issues starting (not lately anyway). I hope this doesn't turn into a major issue. 98000kms.
 

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The other persons advise to anyone who's 2013/14 escape's check engine light come on, or experiences a stall after getting gas, is to stop driving the car immediately. You may be able to prevent damage to the purge canister and save yourself a very costly repair, by just getting the purge solenoid replaced. Although, its also possible that once you have experienced the first symptoms, its already too late, and you are going to need a canister (and $700) as well. If you are just getting an intermittent code, it may be in the very early stages and I would consult your dealer and try to get it looked at and documented. I would NOT clear the codes, let the dealer document and clear the codes.
 

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I've got a 2013 FE Titanium that just threw this code.. I cleared it and it hasn't had any issues starting (not lately anyway). I hope this doesn't turn into a major issue. 98000kms.
I would consult your dealer and try to get it looked at and documented. I would NOT clear the codes, let the dealer document and clear the codes...
Hello digijay,

I agree with HayaiKuruma. If your vehicle displays any codes, be sure to take it to the dealer and get it diagnosed.

Please keep an eye on it, and don’t hesitate to reach out to my FordServiceCA colleagues here, if you have any questions or concerns. :)

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What's the point? I'm out of warranty and they will charge $$$$ to hook up their machine to tell me the same thing I already know. My $15 reader does the same thing.
Also FordServiceCA has never responded to any messages I've sent in the past and I see that it's the same thing with others. They are useless.. It sucks being a Canadian Ford owner, features are disabled on the car, and service is terrible.
 

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Do issues with the evaporative system fall under the vehicle's emission warranty (which is generally in effect for a much longer time) versus the power train warranty? Not sure if that would be helpful in a situation like this or whether it applies in Canada or not?
 

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Do issues with the evaporative system fall under the vehicle's emission warranty (which is generally in effect for a much longer time) versus the power train warranty? Not sure if that would be helpful in a situation like this or whether it applies in Canada or not?
bobj,

You can check this info on the Ford Owner website here. Select the “SYNC & HOW-TOS” tab, and click “Owner Manuals” on the right-hand side of your screen. All you need to do is plug-in your vehicle info and check out the “Warranty” section. This is where you can see what is covered under the “Emission Warranties.” You can also confirm with your service manager. :)

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Thanks Tricia - i appreciate that you responded.

I don't personally have the issue described, I was asking the question for those who ARE affected and whose vehicles are no longer covered by the factory power train warranty.

It would seem that evaporative system malfunctions would influence vehicle emissions, and if that's true, shouldn't they have some potential relief for the repairs via the emissions warranty?

Seems like I never hear of anyone actually having repairs covered by the emissions warranty.
 

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...It sucks being a Canadian Ford owner, features are disabled on the car, and service is terrible.

I'm here for you, digijay. Let's get your regional customer service manager to assist, . Please PM your VIN, full name, daytime phone number, and preferred dealer info.

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I have had our 2013(22,000 miles) in to the dealer twice now for this same issue. We live on a gravel road and each spring since we purchased the Escape the dealer has had to replace the canister. I knew when we purchased the Escape it was no longer a true SUV but I did not think that 5 miles of driving on gravel everyday would be an issue. Our Freestyle minivan took it for 10 years without a complaint. The dealer has handled without issue both time but the warranty is up next year and the numbers I have been quoted so far are over $1000 so I plan to trade it in before the warranty runs out.
 

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I have had our 2013(22,000 miles) in to the dealer twice now for this same issue. We live on a gravel road and each spring since we purchased the Escape the dealer has had to replace the canister. I knew when we purchased the Escape it was no longer a true SUV but I did not think that 5 miles of driving on gravel everyday would be an issue. Our Freestyle minivan took it for 10 years without a complaint. The dealer has handled without issue both time but the warranty is up next year and the numbers I have been quoted so far are over $1000 so I plan to trade it in before the warranty runs out.
Wow, sorry to hear about this. How does driving 5 miles on a gravel road exacerbate this issue I wonder?

I'm approaching 60,000 miles and I can only hope that since I don't do a lot of really short trips that my Evap system is "cleaned out".
 

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What's the point? I'm out of warranty and they will charge $$$$ to hook up their machine to tell me the same thing I already know. My $15 reader does the same thing.
Also FordServiceCA has never responded to any messages I've sent in the past and I see that it's the same thing with others. They are useless.. It sucks being a Canadian Ford owner, features are disabled on the car, and service is terrible.
I too have sent messages to Ford Service Canada and have "never" received a reply, it's as if now that they have my money for the 2015 Ford Escape Titanium, I don't exist. Very frustrating to say the least!
 

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I have had our 2013(22,000 miles) in to the dealer twice now for this same issue. We live on a gravel road and each spring since we purchased the Escape the dealer has had to replace the canister...
Welcome to the community, dv50036! :)

My name is Tricia, and I’m the U.S. Ford Customer Service Representative. Is your Escape currently experiencing this symptom? If so, please make an appointment with the Ford Dealer. You can find a dealership here. Let me know once it's scheduled, and I’ll get this escalated to a customer service manager for your region to assist. The CSM will work with the dealer to reach a resolution!

Wow, sorry to hear about this. How does driving 5 miles on a gravel road exacerbate this issue I wonder?

I'm approaching 60,000 miles and I can only hope that since I don't do a lot of really short trips that my Evap system is "cleaned out".
Hello HayaiKuruma,

I just wanted to touch base with you. How’s your Escape running, and is there anything I can assist you with?

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What's the point? I'm out of warranty and they will charge $$$$ to hook up their machine to tell me the same thing I already know. My $15 reader does the same thing.
Also FordServiceCA has never responded to any messages I've sent in the past and I see that it's the same thing with others. They are useless.. It sucks being a Canadian Ford owner, features are disabled on the car, and service is terrible.
I too have sent messages to Ford Service Canada and have "never" received a reply, it's as if now that they have my money for the 2015 Ford Escape Titanium, I don't exist. Very frustrating to say the least!
Hey guys,

I'm sad to see that you feel this way, and I assure you that we're here to help. I don't see any messages in our inbox from you, so we might not have received them. Please send over another message with the details of your concern, including current odometer reading. I'll see how to help.

Mariel
 
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