[MrLarry]

Installed Factory Fog lights on my 2021 Escape SE and they do not work (used ALL factory OEM parts including wiring harness and switch upgrade). Been told that they need to be turned on in Programming. Spoke with Ford Dealer also about Global Window Up Option which they are also going to check during appointment March 16th (I work two P/T jobs so as soon s I could schedule).
What other options might I consider to ask the Ford Dealer to turn on when in programming? Thanks for your replies.

 

[jpohlman]

This will be a ForScan item at the very least, it won't be something your dealer can do since it falls outside of your car's original AsBuilt.
There is also a chance that your vehicle is missing logic or relays in the BCM or is missing a required control module (eg the Ti with LEDs has a headlamp control module on each side).
As an example, the 2013-2019 could not have a pure factory type installation with out replacing the BCM.

 

[MrLarry]

This will be a ForScan item at the very least, it won't be something your dealer can do since it falls outside of your car's original AsBuilt.
There is also a chance that your vehicle is missing logic or relays in the BCM or is missing a required control module (eg the Ti with LEDs has a headlamp control module on each side).
As an example, the 2013-2019 could not have a pure factory type installation with out replacing the BCM.

They are the same unit as Halogen - just need to change out blub. Do you know anyone familiar with ForScan in Texas?

 

[Bjbena]

They are the same unit as Halogen - just need to change out blub. Do you know anyone familiar with ForScan in Texas?

Huh?

 

[jpohlman]

The factory LEDs are not the same as the halogen housings, they're entirely different.
You can put aftermarket LED's in the factory halogen assemblies, but not in the factory units.
His question revolved around ADDING factory fogs to a vehicle without them, not adding LEDs to one that had halogens.

My statement was using the Ti as an example as he may be missing a module, I haven't dropped FDRS or ForScan on an SE with fogs to see if there is a headlamp control module or not.

 

[MrLarry]

The factory LEDs are not the same as the halogen housings, they're entirely different.
You can put aftermarket LED's in the factory halogen assemblies, but not in the factory units.
His question revolved around ADDING factory fogs to a vehicle without them, not adding LEDs to one that had halogens.

My statement was using the Ti as an example as he may be missing a module, I haven't dropped FDRS or ForScan on an SE with fogs to see if there is a headlamp control module or not.

The part numbers for the Fog Light Assemblies I installed are: LJ6Z*15200*C and 15201. I understand that the bulbs could be changed for halogen bugs but that the ASSEMBLIES are the same. Am I wrong? The wiring harness I used is MX6Z*15K867*AE. All part numbers where verified as compatible with my 2021 Escape per VIN by Ford Parts before I ordered them. Ford never mentioned that the Fog Lights might need to be turned on in programming . . .

 

[Bjbena]

The part numbers for the Fog Light Assemblies I installed are: LJ6Z*15200*C and 15201. I understand that the bulbs could be changed for halogen bugs but that the ASSEMBLIES are the same. Am I wrong? The wiring harness I used is MX6Z*15K867*AE. All part numbers where verified as compatible with my 2021 Escape per VIN by Ford Parts before I ordered them. Ford never mentioned that the Fog Lights might need to be turned on in programming . . .

The assemblies, as far as the bolt points and wiring, are the same. The assemblies, as far as the light designs, are different. The LED ones use a sort of projector in front of the LED whereas the halogen ones are totally clear and use the housing to reflect the light out.

They absolutely need to be programmed. Everything nowadays is electrical. There are no physical switches anymore. I say physical in the sense that switches send signals to the computer to engage the lights. So the computer, even though the lights have power, have no clue they are there.

 

[jpohlman]

LJ6Z-15201-A\LJ6Z-15200-A Halogen
LJ6Z-15200-C\LJ6Z-15201-C LED

The factory shop manual for replacing a halogen bulb is to pull the wheel skirt and swap out the bulb.
The procedure for the LED is to pull the nose and replace the complete unit.

The LEDs are definitely driven by the right and left headlamp control modules which are mounted to the bottom of the LED headlamp assemblies.

 

[MrLarry]

LJ6Z-15201-A\LJ6Z-15200-A Halogen
LJ6Z-15200-C\LJ6Z-15201-C LED

The factory shop manual for replacing a halogen bulb is to pull the wheel skirt and swap out the bulb.
The procedure for the LED is to pull the nose and replace the complete unit.

The LEDs are definitely driven by the right and left headlamp control modules which are mounted to the bottom of the LED headlamp assemblies.

So IF I swap out the LED Fog Assemblies to Halogen Assemblies the lights will work with NO programming? Sure wish Ford had told me more before I spent money on the LED units and their installation. If you are correct then I have to start all over again. Sad . . .

 

[jpohlman]

You'll still need programming at the very least.
The BCM needs to be told that they exist so that it switches power on when it sees the negative trigger from the switch and if you want the telltale on the IPC that will need to be turned on also.

 

[MrLarry]

You'll still need programming at the very least.
The BCM needs to be told that they exist so that it switches power on when it sees the negative trigger from the switch and if you want the telltale on the IPC that will need to be turned on also.

THANK YOU so much for providing information for me to use on my visit with Ford. At 73 I am old school and remember when modifying vehicles was much simpler. I will update after my appointment on the 16th of March.

 

[jpohlman]

I grew up with a tuneup being 12k miles and putting in points, plugs and a condenser.
Your dealer will more than likely tell you that they can't program the BCM in anyway other than the factory As Built.

 

[MrLarry]

I grew up with a tuneup being 12k miles and putting in points, plugs and a condenser.
Your dealer will more than likely tell you that they can't program the BCM in anyway other than the factory As Built.

FINALLY - Made it to For Dealer today. They programmed the BCM and got the LED Fog Lights working with the stock Halogens that can with the 2021SE. However they forgot to activate the Indicator Light on the dash. I will have then check that on the next visit.

 

[Bjbena]

FINALLY - Made it to For Dealer today. They programmed the BCM and got the LED Fog Lights working with the stock Halogens that can with the 2021SE. However they forgot to activate the Indicator Light on the dash. I will have then check that on the next visit. View attachment 81012 View attachment 81012

Nice! Did you have the halogen fogs before?

 

[MrLarry]

Nice! Did you have the halogen fogs before?

No - the SE line came with blanks . . . I purchased OEM parts and added them.

 

[Bjbena]

No - the SE line came with blanks . . . I purchased OEM parts and added them.

Wow, even nicer! All the wiring was already there?

 

[MrLarry]

Wow, even nicer! All the wiring was already there?

No. I had to purchase the bumper wiring harness that has the fog light connectors on it (no parking sensor connectors). It plugs into the factory harness by behind the right headlight. It was a challenge to plug the bumper harness connector into the main wiring harness connector. Ford called back today to explain why the dash indicator is not working. According to them the functionality did not come with the SE line. Not a big problem as the fog lights (after they are on) work in coordination with the low beams. They go off when the high beam are activated. So I set the light switch to auto and let then do their thing. What difference the LED Fog Lights make at night!!

 

[Bjbena]

No. I had to purchase the bumper wiring harness that has the fog light connectors on it (no parking sensor connectors). It plugs into the factory harness by behind the right headlight. It was a challenge to plug the bumper harness connector into the main wiring harness connector. Ford called back today to explain why the dash indicator is not working. According to them the functionality did not come with the SE line. Not a big problem as the fog lights (after they are on) work in coordination with the low beams. They go off when the high beam are activated. So I set the light switch to auto and let then do their thing. What difference the LED Fog Lights make at night!!

Wow, impressive. Seriously impressive! Well done!

 

[poconojoe]

Thanks for the information!

Did you replace the light switch or do the fog lights come on with the low beam headlights?

I believe with the factory setup you push the light switch for the fog lights.

I mentioned this in another thread:
We picked up a new 2022 SE two weeks ago. It doesn't have fog lights.
We squeezed the dealer to add the fog lights as part of the deal. They use a very dependable independent shop. We had a choice, universal switch $425 or controlled by factory switch $525. They were paying and I'm surprised they sprung for the more expensive factory setup.

We're dropping it off on Monday. Let's see if we get an indicator light on the dash. From what you stated, that's probably a no. I will report back.

 

[MrLarry]

Thanks for the information!

Did you replace the light switch or do the fog lights come on with the low beam headlights?

I believe with the factory setup you push the light switch for the fog lights.

I mentioned this in another thread:
We picked up a new 2022 SE two weeks ago. It doesn't have fog lights.
We squeezed the dealer to add the fog lights as part of the deal. They use a very dependable independent shop. We had a choice, universal switch $425 or controlled by factory switch $525. They were paying and I'm surprised they sprung for the more expensive factory setup.

We're dropping it off on Monday. Let's see if we get an indicator light on the dash. From what you stated, that's probably a no. I will report back.

I did the factory switch upgrade AND yes please post IF your dealer can get the dash indicator to work.