[Specialforces18e]

Also, does anyone know if forscan is capable of programming the new solenoid valve strategy and solenoid body. If so I may just install the new solenoid body and reprogram it myself.

 

[Specialforces18e]

These are the number 2 position (ssc) and number 3 position (tcc) yet they both have # 3 on them. According to a manual a friend sent me, they come numbered for a specific position. So either someone at Ford messed up in the manufacturing of the transmission or it really isn't that relevant. Or.... Maybe that's why my tcc is failing (we think) but the manual also states the solenoids are the same as in part number. So why the labeling? Hmmm
Something I'm missing. Back to educating myself now that I have more material. . . For everyone that doesn't have the drive to figure this all out, hopefully my efforts help. It only took about 2 hours of labor to be able to pull the valve body off the front of the transmission. If I knew what I was doing and had the parts, Indo not see why the maintenance manual (and auto shops) charge 10 hours for this job. (I'm pretty sure thats what I learned). Anyway. Thanks to all that are assisting and I will keep everyone updated. After reviewing the material it does make sense to me now that the auto parts store only carried 3 solenoids. There are only 3 used, just multiples of them.

 

[14theroad]

I don't know about the 6F35 specifically but most solenoids are best changed as a group (solenoid pack) as they call them or all together if they are sold individually. The thought process is that if one is going out, chances are one or more will not be too far behind and, since they all work together, you want them to be the same age (like spark plugs). The solenoids themselves have no memory to speak of but the circuit board they are all connected to may retain some memory. When the solenoid pack or the circuit board the solenoids are are all connected to loses power for X amount of time, the PCM will lose sight of it and thus the related shift patterns. When reconnected, it will need to relearn shift patterns for the first few days or miles, depending on how much you drive. During the relearn process, shifts can be erratic and include some slipping, hard shifts, and generally weird or undesired behaviors (late/early shifts etc). If after a few days of driving or a 100+ miles at varied speeds, the behaviors persist, then there is something else going on.

If there is no "memory clear" in the PCM through Forscan for the transmission, you can force all systems to clear themselves like this.

 

[chucksbp]

That's a great Video. He always has good Ford Information. When I was working in the used car dealership that battery disconnect and most importantly jumping the terminals together was our go to fix for any strange problem in any car line. It is a very effective tool to stop any confusion in the communications in late model cars. It wont fix everything But it does fix a lot of small problems.

 

[Specialforces18e]

UPDATE:
Sorry for anyone that has been following the thread for the lack of response. After all said and done, I believe the issue was both, the torque converter is slowly failing (this is what was found on other forums as well) AND the TCC solenoid. I ended up purchasing a valve body from Ford (due to my lack of knowledge about solenoids and my fear of getting this deep into the transmission and putting it back together and it not be fixed). After doing more online research, talking to a few others, I decided I didn't want to have to reprogram the TCM (transmission control module)(maybe it was the ECM... Engine Control Module) because the transmission shifted perfectly, and other than the stalling when put into gear, it worked great when driving. So I ended up pulling the new solenoids out of the new valve body and did a direct replacement of one by one. Once I put it all back together, it was time to test it. I believe I said a little prayer and put it in gear.....And........It died. I was crushed. However, staying positive, I already printed out the instructions on how to teach/relearn the transmission. When I had the battery off I did the terminal trick, and also using Forscan to "forget" what the Transmission had learned. So I went out and did this with my wife reading the instructions. After that, I'm going to say the transmission got a little better, but it might have only been positive thoughts. I drove the car around a little bit and about 10% of the time it would stall coming to a complete stop. After a few minutes I could keep it from stalling by simply letting off/lightening up on the brake pedal for a split second and the engine would survive the stall and come to a stop and stay running. I put the wife in the car and had her drive it until she could do the same. After her drive time, the engine was only trying to stall about 5% of the time. After a few days of asking my wife how the car was, the stories started to fade. No more "it about died going to work this morning!!!", Like I'm the problem for asking. So I believe now after the last month of my wife driving it normally, I haven't heard about it. Winner winner chicken dinner.

WHAT I WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY:
I wouldn't have installed the mustang throttle body.

I wouldn't have installed the new cam sensors.

I wish I would have trouble shot the external thermometer before getting a new one. Once I replaced it, it didn't work. So I then troubleshot it and realize one of the connector cables was pulling out from the connector. (It was $25 dollars and her external temperature gauge works now, so no big deal)

* I would have purchased an upgraded transmission with the heavy duty torque converter for $2000 and had it installed.*

Although I do enjoy troubleshooting items and figuring out how to fix it, this was not fun. There was many items that I threw parts at it in the hopes it fixed it. It reminded me of my 6.0 Power Stroke. All the mechanics said "it can be the head gaskets or the oil cooler. It's the same symptoms so we can't tell till we get into it". Well that's how I felt here. I would read a forum that someone having the same problem fixed it with "this part" but no luck. I probably changed the transmission fluid 5 times which adds up cost wise. The new parts that I didn't need. The Forscan program that I had to learn and purchase the tool to connect to car. My garage was occupied for quite some time. My wife complaining about driving the 1997 Ford Expedition. AND.... Once it's all said and done, waiting for the transmission to fail again. It's inevitable after reading endless complaints about this transmission and also talking to a few transmission shops. Plus, after watching the series "Cars that built America". It's very apparent Ford has always been about selling low quality affordable cars to the masses vs building a quality reliable product. So as my garage had my wife's transmission taken apart, I had to change my blown brake line of my Ford Excursion outside on the cold driveway. And as I am pulling this rusted brake line off the truck, I see some lines in perfect shape running alongside of the brake lines. They where the fuel lines. I ordered a kit online that came with every single brake line for the whole Excursion for $150 and the lines are stainless steel. So just think, people are paying $80,000 for these Super Duty trucks, and Ford can't even put stainless steel brake lines on them. What a joke, with Ford's purchasing power, they would probably cost $20.

Best of luck for anyone that is dealing with the 6F35 transmission that Ford uses. DO transmission oil changes often. DO NOT listen to the owners manual and not do them. It's as simple as changing engine oil and it will make your transmission last.

Thank everyone that gave me advice and assistance. If it wasn't for a community of people helping others, Ford would have won this battle as I wouldn't have been able to do it myself. A special thanks to the member who send me some information through email, it boosted my confidence I was finally on the right track and I needed the push at that time. I was about to pull off on the side of the highway and set it on fire. So thank you again.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask.

 

[waverunner10]

2013 2 liter Titanium AWD did a tranny flush at 57,000 miles
Torque converter went out at 90,000
When torque converter goes out it will kill the engine the minute you put it in gear!
new torque converter was put in
I also had them put in a new valve body
cost $3600.00 16.5 hours labor!!!!!!!

 

[Specialforces18e]

LOL. Waverunner10. Sorry to laugh, I'm waiting patiently for that to happen. I am going to be vigilant with transmission oil changes. From all my reading, it may have been to late to start doing the flushes at 57,000 miles. Did you do the prior or was that the first one? If it happens again (let's hope not), there is a company selling the 6F35 with the upgrades to the valve body and HD torque converter for 2K somewhere on the net. I found it and also someone on here sent a link (or maybe it's in the thread). Glad you have it working. My wife loves how fast it is and how well it handles for a little SUV. If only they built it better. Sad really.

Thanks for the input, it may help others when deciding what to do.

 

[14theroad]

Although I do enjoy troubleshooting items and figuring out how to fix it, this was not fun.

Troubleshooting is never fun when time is of the essence or it's with a primary means of transportation (at least for me).

I have some stories that are not relevant to this topic but, I will say even dealers are fallible and can look right when the answer is left.

Glad you seemed to have figured it out!

 

[Fredez1992]

Hello everyone and thank you in advance for your time and help.

I have been troubleshooting my wife's car for some time now. It's a 2013 Ford Escape 2.0 turbo.

THE PROBLEM:
The car dies when I shift the transmission into gear. However, if the car is cold (not warmed up) then it will shift into gear without dying. Once I recognized this I would start the car, put it into gear and allow the car to warm up. But after warmup, still no luck. Once the car is put into park and switched back into gear, it dies. This to me sounds like a transmission fluid problem because as the TF warms up it expands and maybe it is creating to much pressure in the transmission and it stalls the engine.

SO FAR I HAVE:
Changed the oil
Changed the transmission fluid 3 times. Left the car running and allow the TF to stop coming out the hole located by the front drive shaft so I believe it has the proper amount of TF in it.
I have put a new throttle body on the car and no change.
I have run ForScan and have no codes other than external air sensor.
I have run every self text Forscan has.

To help with anyone trying to help me trouble shoot this. If the throttle is pressed when the car is shifted into gear and the car begins moving forward, then the engine will remain running as long as the car is moving. The car does not want to stay running when its stopped. Once the car is running it will work perfectly all day long until it comes to a stop. If I use my left foot to push on the brake and my right foot to throttle, I can keep the car running at stops, but without the brake/accelerator trick, the car with stall.

From my research, IMO (this isn't my specialty) the problem isn't the wiring harness. The problem isn't sporadic. It's like gravity, it's always there. The problem behaves the same way every time. And if electrical signals were bleeding over from one wire to another, I believe more error codes would be present and the problem would be sporadic.

PLEASE PLEASE, any advice would be appreciated.

The car has 70,872 miles
Full synthetic oil changes. Ford oil filters. Merc LV Transmission fluid.

I am having this same exact issue did you ever figure out what was wrong with it.

 

[waverunner10]

LOL. Waverunner10. Sorry to laugh, I'm waiting patiently for that to happen. I am going to be vigilant with transmission oil changes. From all my reading, it may have been to late to start doing the flushes at 57,000 miles. Did you do the prior or was that the first one? If it happens again (let's hope not), there is a company selling the 6F35 with the upgrades to the valve body and HD torque converter for 2K somewhere on the net. I found it and also someone on here sent a link (or maybe it's in the thread). Glad you have it working. My wife loves how fast it is and how well it handles for a little SUV. If only they built it better. Sad really.

Thanks for the input, it may help others when deciding what to do.

that was my 1st tranny flush at 57,000 . Ford says not needed till 150,000 that is total garbage

 

[eduaryova]

Se pudo resolver tengo el mismo problema????