Answer to my question

From what I have been researching, the answer to my question comes down to programming the ACM to the VIN of my vehicle along with modifying the as-built info for this ACM and then the APIM if I want to get the HD Radio on/off button. The ACM is via the HS Bus and the APIM is via the MS bus. Since the ACM I bought came from a Titanium Escape equipped with the Sony system, it makes sense that it is stuck at a pre-determined level and the volume doesn't work as it is looking for the Sony external amplifier as all the volume and stuff is done in the Sony external amp. I would like to just have it set for variable 4V pre-amp out with no EQ curves as I plan on adding new speakers and amplifiers when I try to install it again. I know there are some folks out there that can do this and they have YT videos that are really good for showing that it can be done. What I am having a hard time finding though is the technical information on how they are exactly doing this. What I mean by 'exactly' is the details of the OBD2 device being used and how it is programmed and how it is programming the modules.

 

Answer 2

I figure there is a small SOC or PIC (looks to be programmed by the uUSB port on the side) in the OBD device. Looks like that it first reads your VIN and writes it to NVRAM and then it does the rosetta stone in the software within the SOC or PIC and matches the VIN with some new as-built hex values with checksums and then programs the modules that need programming to allow the new functions that are being added or modified to work within the vehicle. Once it is ran in a vehicle, it is only good for that vehicle so you won't be able to use it in another vehicle or help a buddy out but it can be used again in the same vehicle if you happen to get a module re-flashed by Ford some time down the road for a repair issue. I am not sure why it works this way.

 

Answer 3

At least with the present route you DO have the option to get it done and you are not stuck with Ford saying "NO" and to the credit of the gentleman in the videos, he put in some nice work to offer a plug and play solution that doesn’t require you to hack up your wiring or send the ACM off. It is a very nice solution. I don’t know what the price for this kit as it is not mentioned anywhere that I have seen.

As it stands now, I think I have answered my question and I think anyone else that might also have the same question and this is why I posted back to myself... If you want these features, for now, you will need to pay someone to activate it until somebody releases the information and/or it gets built into the software packages like Forscan or Focccus.

By chance if you do have the Sony system, there is a YT video out there from 5 star car audio showing the PAC Audio device just released that will give you RCA and Toslink digital outputs for the Ford Sony Sync systems. I hope they plan on putting one out for the non Sony systems as I would love the digital output!

The only concern I really have about this stock "line out" is there are some people saying they are having high noise floors (static at low volumes). I am wondering if the programming bypasses the actual output IC's or just programs the output IC's to not go over 4V RMS? When I get that done I will try and scope the inputs of the output ICs vs. the outputs of the output ICs. I would bet the high noise floor may be coming from those. I bet if we internally modified the ACM and pulled them out and replaced them with a good OP AMP circuit for each channel, we could possibly eliminate these noise floor issues... Just a thought as I have no hard data to back that up yet. If anyone knows what output IC's they are using we may be able to pull the datasheet on that component and see what the specs are. I may need a new thread for this one.

I am sorry for all the posts. I kept getting messages about links. I hate that I cant list my sources. Doesn't make sense.

 

I'm not really an audio expert, but wanted to say thanks for coming back and posting some detailed information. Too often people figure things out and never pass the information on to others.

Unfortunately the forum settings require you to have 10 posts before you can post a link. Think they're trying to avoid spammers, but it's quite irritating to those trying to source their info. Hope you stick around and post those links when you're able.

 

No problem. Yes. Nothing is more frustrating then reading through a whole thread just to see it abandoned without any resolution. It may take a while to get all the answers I am looking for but I will post any that I get. I just bought the escape and I came from a f150 that I installed an iPad in with a pioneer head unit and 5 channel alpine PDX-v9. I sure miss it already and I sold it all with the truck as it was modified for the iPad to go into the dash. The guy that bought it texted me when he got home and told me that he really enjoyed it a lot. I am looking to figure out putting one in the escape. I would love to capture the MS Bus and replace the APIM with an iPad mini with an App that can moc the APIM. It would be cool to pull that off. I don't see that happening soon as I don't have that kind of time or the equipment to bench test it.


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I could of sworn I have read about folks installing ACM's without running into any "VIN matching" issues. But I think those folks matched their vehicles build data to the new ACM, not what you did.

 

I could of sworn I have read about folks installing ACM's without running into any "VIN matching" issues.

Please guide me to the info please!


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Post #38

http://www.fordescape.org/forum/electronics-audio-lighting/20393-radio-sync-died-today-4.html

 

I read the post you linked to and it turns out that he pulled one from a car that had the same feature set as his original. The person in #41 was spot on with his answer. If you have a replacement ACM that is different, lets say it was married to a Sony system with HD/Sat radio and your original unit did not have the same options you will get a result similar to my original issue. It will work somewhat but not all the way depending on how your car is originally equipped vs. how the car it came out of was equipped. The 2 ACMs will have different options enabled via their "as-built" programming from Ford. You can make those work but as of right now you have to pay to modify it to work with your current as-built programming. The APIM on mine is expecting a non Sony configuration and no HD Radio. Since the ACM on mine does not have that, when I put the different ACM in, it is expecting a link to a Sony amplifier which is done very differently than the ACM without the Sony amp.

Lets say you want to add HD Radio and you procure an ACM with that feature as your original does not have it. Lets say you have procured an ACM that has this new feature and it came from a car without the Sony system and yours also does not have a Sony system. When you install the new ACM you will get HD Radio by default and your volume controls and amps should also work fine. You will lack however the HD Radio button on your touch screen. The APIM will then need to be programmed to reflect that you have an HD Radio. To change the APIM you need to talk to the Ford MS Bus. The ACM is on the standard HS-Bus we know as OBD2.

They are making the cars kind of like CPUs. When intel makes a batch of Core i CPUs they do not run a bunch of different types of runs, they make them all the same and then disable or enable cores, multipliers and thus speeds. What they become depends on how they benchmark after being built or by market demand. Thing is, Ford is making the APIMs (with 8" My Ford Touch) pretty much the same way. They just enable the features the car was ordered with and matching it with the right ACM and/or Sony Amplifiers (as-built programming). This is why people are able to enable navigation on these units somewhat easily as it only involves changing the as-built values in the APIM to enable that function and provide the maps on a SD card. All the hardware is present in all of the systems to enable navigation as the antenna is there also. Same manufacturing and wire harnesses most like models as it is cheaper to do that then to make multiple harnesses for the different configurations. Just build them all the same and program the features off or on. The ACMs do have different builds (SAT and HD Radio tuners) but other than that they are pretty much the same and that is why they can be interchanged and then programmed to suit if they are different.

As far as needing the VIN to hash with programming a module, I am not 100% on that. I just figured it is that way by what I was able to find. That is where I am stuck at right now as that information is being kept secret as of right now or I have yet to find it.

 

IMHO you are dealing with several distinct issues and it may be helpful to break those down:

1. Your replacement ACM was from a "Sony" system and your car is non-Sony. Let's recap the implications of that ....

• The Sony system anticipates certain SYNC tones and voices are routed APIM>DSP>speakers; the non-Sony anticipates those signals routed APIM>ACM>speakers.
• The Sony system ACM outputs are set for (low-level) ~4V nominal, not varied by volume (the volume is managed in the DSP via CANBUS); the non-Sony outputs are set for (high/speaker level) ~14V nominal output and of course vary within the ACM amp-section based on the volume setting from any control in the car (dashboard, steering wheel, voice command).

FORScan with the free extended license (and a suitable OBD interface device**) can be used to reprogram the Sony ACM for use with your non-Sony car/harenss. IMHO you would benefit from doing this as a 'first step' just to ensure the replacement ACM is OK and to establish a 'working baseline' identical to your OEM system.

You would need to install your OEM ACM and using FORScan simply read/note your ACM PID parameter addresses and codes. Then install the Sony ACM and again using FORScan edit the ACM PIDs to match your original ACM.

As an alternate, you could get the OEM ACM PID info from your OEM VIN specific module programming data on OASIS if you have access. This isn't required if you can read your OEM ACM data using FORScan.

Note that only ACM reprogramming is required for this - no other module reprogramming is involved, no harness changes are involved.

2. Changing the (now) non-Sony ACM speaker-level output to ~4V nominal variable output (low-level output that varies based on ACM and/or steering wheel volume settings); disable factory EQ.

Again, this can be accomplished by reprogramming the ACM only, using FORScan. Please refer to this post on 2GFusions Forum for the requisite PID edits. I have confirmed that these edits work for the Escape non-Sony ACM; you will ignore the text about wiring changes to re-route the SYNC tones/voices as your OEM non-Sony car harness already is properly set-up for that.

Again, note that only ACM reprogramming is required for this - no other module reprogramming is involved, no harness changes are involved.

3. HD radio feature

As mentioned in my post 41 at http://www.fordescape.org/forum/888322-post41.html which you've already referenced, I'm not familiar with the details of this change. So, I'd like to learn from your project .....

If I understand correctly, when you installed the HD-equipped ACM in your car you found you have full HD capability and control without making any programming changes (volume control issues notwithstanding). Please advise if that's correct or not?

** Suitable OBD interface device means an ELM327 with HS/MS switch capability or equivalent. I use a generic USB ELM327 DIY modified as described here.

Hope that helps, and thanks for any info on the HD radio aspect

 

Thank you for your reply. I will do that and advise. I put the stock unit back in the car so I will pull the data and capture and then put in the new ACM and program it. I also have modified my ELM327 to communicate with both busses. To answer your question on the HD Radio, I did have full functioning HD Radio. I was able to tune HD Radio by default and set memories for it. It even showed the HD Radio graphic for stations broadcasting in HD. Only thing that was missing on that is the touch button that allows you to force to analog tuning by turning the HD Radio side off. This is handy if you are on the fringe of the HD signal as the radio will toggle back and forth between analog and digital. If you are in the strong signal area it will work fine and stay on the HD side. To get the HD Radio button, the APIM has to programmed and that is documented but I would have to find it again if I were to reference that. For me, that would not be a big deal. I will try the method you referred to. I really appreciate the help. If this method works I will make a write up on the process and post it. I will have to remember to take some pics while I do it... Thanks again!

 

Great, hope it all works out.

FWIW I've reprogrammed my OEM non-Sony w/8"MFT output for the ~4V variable volume with no EQ per the 2GFusions instructions developed by DanMc85. When I put the O-scope on that it was as promised .... flat 20Hz - 20kHz at all volume settings. The OEM condition and a commercially reprogrammed ACM I purchased awhile back (and returned) both exhibited a definite volume-variable EQ curve, so this new reprogramming is a definite different and effective 'de-EQ' procedure. I'm feeding that low-level output to a JBL MS-8 DSP via RCA inputs. No reason that should not work out for you.

For context I'm running ACM > JBL MS-8 DSP > (3)JBL MS-A1004 and (2)MS-A5001 amps > 14 speakers (3-way front L&R, 2-way center, 2-way rear ambient fill and two 12" subwoofers); my system goal is SQ, not SPL.

FYI you'll need to feed both the front and rear channels to your amps to preserve all the SYNC tones and alarms - the backup alarm proximity 'beeps' generated by the Escape are on the rear channel outputs. There's no 'unique' tones on the center channel outputs so you can abandon that if not running a dedicated center with your aftermarket amps (I do not use the ACM center output at all - my DSP creates a new 'center' from the full-spectrum front+rear inputs).

Also, be aware that the Escape non-Sony program imposes both Left/Right and Front/Rear Time Alignment when the 'driver' or 'front' occupancy settings are selected on the MFT menu; no TA is imposed when 'all seats' is selected (so that's my default for feeding the MS-8 which of course does its own TA); silly me, I didn't test to see if those TA settings still work after reprogramming my ACM output - need to check that again using the scope and click tones while connected to multiple channels to look for time-shift ;-).

I do not have a perceptible noise floor - whatever is there is likely below what my scope (8-bit PicoScope 2204A) can resolve; Pico suggests at least 16-bit unit$ are required to quantify low noise floors. Certainly whatever noise floor is present at the ACM output it is NOT increasing with volume. I've plans to do a more rigorous series of noise tests at the ACM outputs, DSP outputs and Amp outputs to see if I can quantify that with my scope, but that's not an immediate project priority. Bottom line - even in 'dead air' passages I'm not hearing any hiss or noise when driving even with the volume cranked-up (I'm not using my system for anything like rigorous SQ competition with the engine off).

A further note about that .... I've followed the OEM Ford HU 'noise' discussions on DIYMA forum pretty closely .... it seems to be largely a function of the specific model and year ..... perhaps related to exact wiring harness routing and induced noise issues.

Finally, there's a possible relationship between 'noise' and the ACM vendor/manufacturer: from exploring inside my ACM and examination of the circuit board etchings I know mine is made by "Sanyo Automedia" (both the CD mechanism and the main ACM board); others have said theirs are made by Clarion but I don't know how they determined that; It would not surprise me if Ford used multiple vendors to supply ACMs to their spec.

I pretty much expected reprogramming of the APIM would be required to get all the controls for the HD radio on the MFT screen. Though not something I'm planning to do I would appreciate any links to the APIM programming required to effect that just for my 'database'.

Have fun!

 

... I pretty much expected reprogramming of the APIM would be required to get all the controls for the HD radio on the MFT screen. Though not something I'm planning to do I would appreciate any links to the APIM programming required to effect that just for my 'database'.....

Lol, famous last words .....

Good News! After some more research, I have a working HD radio! I will go through the steps I took....

The 'bait' of a successful mod experience shared, then finding out my fave local classical station broadcasts HD, then noticing a suitable ACM being sold in this forum's classifieds ...... woops, here we go, more fun with audio upgrades and reprogramming!

Probably be a few weeks before it's done, and of course I'll be trying the APIM reprogram too for full OEM functionality, but I expect to be posting here that all works out great just as it has for @dougleonard.

Gotta love this forum!

 

Thanks for your response Centex. I really appreciate the help. I too will be going for SQ. You have a nice setup there and I bet it sounds great. I am going crazy listening to the stock system so I will be trying to do some installing this weekend. I also took my ACM apart and saw it was also Sanyo Automedia branded inside. I will try and link the APIM HD Radio button mod up but I will have to find it again and I will need to post some more so I can use links. LOL.

 

I had seen that the same people that are marketing the MFT to Sync 3 upgrades are also selling an HD Upgrade. It appears that they are able to rewrite the code on the car to accept this as they send you a new ACM and a dongle that you plug into the OBDii port for the firmware update. Not cheap though @ $600.00. They don't say what they do to the ACM, but they must be doing something in there to accommodate the hi level outputs.

 

That seems pretty high to just add HD Radio. I could buy a new Pioneer NEX radio for that (I know it is not that ez though or I would have already). I am pretty sure I saw that site that is selling that. I bought my ACM on eBay for $60. From what I have learned on this thread it seems I am in good shape to make it work. I will find out this weekend when I do it. I plan on taking pics too as I do it and I will post my end result in this thread. I am all for making money but that is kind of steep for what you get but I would guess it is geared more for the folks that want a plug and play solution.

 

AFAIK everything currently sold as a 'plug-and-play' package can be done totally DIY with a bit of diligent research. Some folks figured out the reverse engineering for profit, others for 'sport' and have published 'how-to' on the interweb.

No problem, IMHO, there's a 'market' for both 'products' (plug-and-players as well as 'frugal DIYers'). Maybe a bit of time-lag for the latter, but with a bit of patience ....

 

AFAIK everything currently sold as a 'plug-and-play' package can be done totally DIY with a bit of diligent research. Some folks figured out the reverse engineering for profit, others for 'sport' and have published 'how-to' on the interweb.

No problem, IMHO, there's a 'market' for both 'products' (plug-and-players as well as 'frugal DIYers'). Maybe a bit of time-lag for the latter, but with a bit of patience ....

Oh, I totally agree. But the biggest difference in the Sony over the non Sony is that the latter has built in amplification, you wont have that with the Sony, so I was wondering how they reconciled this.

 

Well, I had some time today and I pulled may "as-is" data with forscan and I saved it as "acm as built.abt" with the original ACM in place before attempting any mods. I then installed the new ACM and pulled its data and captured it also. When I went to modify the new one with the data from the original is when it went south. I received the Service procedure has been interrupted message. I was also receiving the CAN bus compatibility problems after it reads the ACM. I figure it must be my modded Wi-Fi ELM 327 not being able to write at the right speed. So off to Amazon to get a proven USB unit. It should be here Sunday so I will have no tunes until then as I don't want to pull everything back apart. I just thought I would update everyone on my progress. I did take pics of the install but that is well documented already so I will not post those. I will however post the screenshots and the process I performed of the programming once it is complete. I also stand corrected on what bus communicates with the APIM and the ACM... The ACM is MS-Bus (modded position) and the APIM is the HS-Bus (standard position) of the ELM 327 I have.

 

I'd have just noted the OEM values and manually edited the few affected at 727-01-01 and 727-01-02.

I've never attempted to write a saved .abt file. I'm just not inclined to allow FORScan to write any data beyond what's absolutely necessary for a specific mod of interest.

Never had any problems using the "Auto" settings for COM port and baud rate in FORScan with my ancient 'clone' USB ELM327.


Have you previously used your ELM327 successfully?

Is your ELM USB or wireless?

What exact OS are you running on your laptop?

Note that WIN10, if left to its 'own devices' may try to install by 'auto-update' a driver that tries to detect 'unauthorized' (clone) ELM chips and prevent their proper operation.

 

I am using a wi-fi ELM 327. I am running windows 7 on a mac pro in VM. I was only trying to write the 727-01-01 and 727-01-02 blocks. It reads everything fine. I will attach the logs and screen shots. I apologize for not being clear on those things. The ACM I have does have amplification and the VIN it came from does report it was pulled from a Titanium Escape with the Sony system. I get audio out to the speakers and it is loud but not blaring, i would say it is stuck at 1/3 volume.

 

No need to ever apologize, we're all just trying to help each other out here.


Ah, Windows on MAC VM .... that's an area where I've no experience so don't know if that might be an issue or not. I have noticed a number of posts regarding FORScan on MAC in the FORScan forums .... perhaps you've already browsed that. Same insofar as any idiosyncrasies relating to Wi-Fi ELM - not something I've played with.

No help to you but I'm running Win7Pro 64-bit (native).

I'll just cross my fingers and hope that the newly ordered ELM will allow you to effect the programming you need; as you seem to recognize the vehicle-side of things most likely isn't the problem.

 

Here is a pic of the ELM 327 I am using.

 

Well since he's dealing with a Sony coded ACM, might be somewhat germane. Had just swept by the Pac-Audio briefly, I like their products, used two of their switching modules to code the cornering lamps in my HID upgrade (only issue I have had was a bad connection - that I made). My interest is peaked a bit now...

I also found this

that seems that there is a shop out there that will recode the ACMs to a VIN specific string, that just might be what the OP needs for his HD upgrade.

 

Important to note that the PAC AP4-FD21 only applies to those with the complete OEM Sony system installed, not just a 'Sony programmed ACM'. The Sony DSP module and wiring must remain in place for it to work. The PAC uses the Sony DSP module for management of certain SYNC tones and other features even though it bypasses the audio EQ and amplification in that unit - like I said, it's an odd duck, it doesn't work on the all the same principles as the reprogramming method for achieving low-level out at the ACM while preserving SYNC features.

Insofar as the linked YouTube posted by "OEMRadio Solutions" .....

• I have never been able to replicate the 'clipping' alleged in that video on my OEM Escape HU speaker-level outputs. See http://www.fordescape.org/forum/ele...-lighting/62642-non-sony-hu-frequency-response-eq-ta-quantified.html#post727690 Note that all of my measurements were done at the ACM outputs with an appropriate 'load' also connected to the ACM outputs (i.e. the 'real-world' condition of ACM operation).
• I purchased a 'reprogrammed' ACM from that vendor (OEMRadio Solutions) in April of 2016 (before the current DIY reprogramming info was 'public'); the reprogramming was supposed to yield variable volume low-level output with no EQ at any volume (i.e. 'flat' output).
• In fact, the 'reprogrammed' ACM still exhibited measureable bass-boost and high-frequency attenuation, varying depending on the volume knob setting (per my O-scope measurements).
• The vendor did accept return of the unit but never could explain why the unit did not behave as expected (it definitely did not deliver 'flat' output).
• Please see full documentation of that episode with scope plots here "Reprogrammed" Ford Head Unit (ACM) - Car Audio | DiyMobileAudio.com | Car Stereo Forum . Please note that was posted April of 2016 and a lot has changed in the world of DIY ACM reprogramming 'public knowledge' since then.
• I do not know if that vendor has changed his programming / procedures since my experience with him so can't comment on what he delivers now a year later.

I do know that when I scoped my non-Sony ACM after recently implementing the DIY reprogramming procedures described/linked earlier in this thread the output is definitely flat across the spectrum at all volume levels. Definitely different and better than the 'commercial vendor' results of a year ago.

I also know that a friend who reprogrammed his Sony ACM (and scoped it using the same PicoScope instrument and procedures I used) also observed flat output 20Hz-20kHz at all volume levels (and, BTW, he got the same result when testing the output from the PAC AP4-FD21 module temporarily installed in his car for the express purpose of comparing the 'PAC' solution vs the 'reprogramming solution'). He's an IT-guy and though separated by a thousand miles 'linked' me so I could 'participate' in his Sony system reprogramming and PAC module oscilloscope tests real-time last month - that was a lot of fun!

 

Here is a youtube video from 5 star car audio that is really good about explaining the PAC Audio Amp kit for FMT Sony systems.

I got my programmer today and it worked very well. I bought this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F0GVBWY/ref=s9_acsd_hps_bw_c_x_1_w

I programmed my ACM with my stock 727-01-01 and 727-01-02 blocks. It worked but the problem is there is now no HD radio. It works now exactly like the stock ACM did. This is good as at least I have control back and all speakers and functions work as they did. I know I have to do some research to get the right hex values to enable the HD Radio. When I get that I will share. Again, thanks to all for your feedback and help. By the way, it worked un VM Windows 7 on my Mac with no issues.

 

Good News! After some more research, I have a working HD radio! I will go through the steps I took.

1. First, make sure you have a good HS-CAN/MS=CAN scanner. I have linked the one I bought in post #29 .
2. Leave your stock ACM connected
3. Connect the scanner to the car OBD2 port and turn the car to the "ON" position. Use Forscan and click the connect icon and follow the dialogs of when to have your scanner in HS-CAN mode and then in MS-CAN mode if you have the switch. Some are out there that will do this automatically like the OBD2-MX.
4. You will be asked to if you want to save your car. That is optional but I did say yes the 1st time for a backup and no ever after as I wanted to make sure I was always using the data it just pulled.
5. Click the chip icon on the left side and then double click ACM AS BUILT. Click the play button and it will pull your current data.
6. Save it by clicking Save All and name it. I named mine stock ACM as built.
7. Turn off the car and install your new ACM.
8. Do step 3
9. Since mine came from a Sony car I had no volume control or tone controls and the volume was stuck at 1/3 and the radio was on the AM selection.
10. Run Forscan again and repeat steps 4 and 5.
11. I went ahead and saved the values on the new ACM so I had them to compare.
12. Click Load All and load your stock ACM abt file that was saved before.
13. Click Write for the blocks 717-01-01 and 727-01-02.
14. The ACM will reset and you will hear the CD Player re-initializing.
15. The ACM will now perform like it did when you had your original in. No HD Radio....yet
16. Here is the value to change: 727-01-01 x8xx-xxxx-xxxx to x0xx-xxxx-xxxx. 727-01-02 I kept as-is.
17. Click the Write button for this block. Another reset will happen
18. Check 727-04-01. Since your ACM came from a car with HD, it should be set (mine was) but here it is: xxxx-x2xx-xxxx to xxxx-x1xx-xxxx. Click Write if you made a change. I did not have to do this step.
19. Go to the FM dial and tune to a station that is in HD and you should be golden.

I have posted a picture of my now working HD Radio added ACM. Total investment about $100 and time of research and help from great folks!
Here is the link that got me there: https://www.f150forum.com/f118/forscan-software-enable-disable-features-your-truck-348987/index747/
I did not do the APIM mod as mentioned. I may do that at a later date as the HD on/off is not important to me at this time but it may be. I will advise if and when I do that part of the mod.

Thanks again to all for all the help along the way. I hope these step by step instructions help others. Good thing is, now that I have went through all this reading, when I am ready to install my new Amps and speakers, I will be ready to change to line level outs!

 

I forgot to include the APIM data change that I found on the f150 forum from my previous posting. I have not tried it yet but I think I will and advise of the outcome.

7D0-01-01 xxxx xxx2 xxxx to xxxx xxx3 xxxx

 

I saw that by following the link you provided - thanks for doing that - we always appreciate being able to see 'sources' for posted info!

 

Went ahead and did the APIM and all is done with the HD Radio Mod.

 

You can swap in the HD ACM from a Titainium into an SE with the 8" MFT without any problems if you use Forscan with an adapter like the OBDLink MX Bluetooth.

You back up the config from the original ACM and then apply that to the HD ACM, after that you change a single value in the APIM to enable the HD radio control button.

It actually takes longer to swap out the ACM than it does to do the program changes with Forscan.

 

You can swap in the HD ACM from a Titanium into an SE with the 8" MFT without any problems if you use Forscan with an adapter like the OBDLink MX Bluetooth.

You back up the config from the original ACM and then apply that to the HD ACM, after that you change a single value in the APIM to enable the HD radio control button.

IF you do a wholesale backup of all the original ACM config and apply that to the HD ACM as your post implies, you must then do two edits to the ACM code per steps 16 and 18 in this post.
@dougleonard has already provided all the complete info needed in that post, with the APIM code edit detailed in this follow-up post