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PTU and Rear Diff Oil Change

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Car is 2.5 years old and has 75000 KM (46000 Miles) on the clock, this is the 4th time having the oil in the PTU and 2nd time in the read diff change.


The first two oil change in the PTU were extremely dirty, lots of metallic particles in the oil, today's oil is the best looking so far, very little metallic particles stuck on the oil plug.


I forgot to take photo of the oil came out of the rear diff as we would have to open up the vacuum, but the used oil as the same color as the PTU.
 

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In the 2014 Escape manual on page 266, specifications are given for PTU (18 fl oz Motorcraft SAE 75W-140 Synthetic Rear Axle Lubricant) and rear diff fluid (2.4 pt Motorcraft SAE 80W-90 Premium Rear Axle Lubricant).

I'm not saying these specs are the same for the Kuga, just that they are listed in the Escape manual.

There are no procedures in the 2014 Escape manual for checking or changing these fluids.
 
#48 ·
Thanks for all help with find correct oils. UK dealer had a big problem to confirm correct oils. But finally all oils are the same. But prices much higher. 1 lt branded Ford for PTU cost $77.

But I will order Red Line oils, 5 bottles total price $116 for:
2 lt MT-LV (manual gearbox),
1 lt 75W140 (PTU),
2 lt 75W90 (Rear Diff),
 
#49 ·
1 lt branded Ford for PTU cost $77.
The invoice from my recent service said that the dealer used 3 of part "MSB75" at 24.98 each.

Amazon has XY-75W140-QL "Genuine Ford Fluid XY-75W140-QL SAE 75W-140 Synthetic Rear Axle Lubricant - 1 Quart" for 25.27 each. A quart is 32 oz and the capacity per the manual is 18 oz. So why did I get billed for 3 quarts? Time to visit the dealer again. The PTU is not like the transmission, I doubt they did several drain/fill cycles.
 
#50 ·
Old PTU oil stinks so much, was black with metal particles like very fine sand.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. If not, you'll have to close it up, crawl out from underneath, drive to the store on low fluid and buy another bottle, drive home, crawl under again...

meanwhile, another bottle is $12 per Amazon. Seems like an easy decision to me.
 
#61 ·
IMHO, because you will never get all of the OEM fluid out of the RDU, you would be mixing 2 different fluids. That is usually a no-no. That coupled with the fact that we haven’t seen any issues with the RDU’s on this forum of any significant amounts leads me to believe that your suggestion is unnecessary.
 
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I just changed my PTU fluid on my 2013 with 59k mile. The old gear oil was dark and there was metallic sludge on the plug magnet. I used redline 75w140 full synthetic gear oil because the flash point is quite a bit higher than motorcraft. My PTU plugs are T50 torx. I recommend partially removing the turbo air tube for good access to the fill plug so you don't strip out the torx. I unscrewed both 10mm retaining nuts on the tube then unscrewed the two tube clamps. Piece of cake and had full access to remove and torque the plug. Then I pulled the tube off at the joint near the fill plug. I drained and fill as others did with a small Mytivac fluid extractor. I torqued both plugs per the Ford shop manual 33 ft-lbs.
 
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My dealer also said they didn't do fluid changes on the PTU and diff, but as I've said before, I almost never trust anything that says "lifetime" or "100,000 miles til you need to do anything!". Remember GM and the Dexcool fiasco? The "lifetime" or 100,000 mile maintenance interval on it? Yeah...turns out, it ate the gaskets and dumped coolant into the (usually otherwise decent) engine, destroying it before you ever needed a flush! I had a Malibu...instantly put regular green in and did normal intervals. The sub frame rotted at almost 200k miles and the engine still purred with no coolant issues. :LOL:

Point is, don't believe something that sounds too good to be true too easily. Great write up and pics. Super helpful. When the weather stops being awful, I will definitely have to give this a go. No fault to the dealer, they're saying what Ford said to say. Who you want to believe is owners, mechanics, and enthusiasts who have experience and knowledge.
 
#68 ·
For my 2014, there is the rear diff fill plug (3/8 drive used) on the back in front of the frame, and a supposed drain plug at the front, on the driver's side, which didn't look lower to me, so I pumped the fluid out through the fill hole
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. 140k miles, never changed, plenty of black gunk on the magnetic fill plug.

To get the plug loose, this craftsman 3/8 small breaker bar with no socket got in there ok, but there was no way to get a torque wrench for putting it back on. Hope I did it about right.

Also, to check that it was 3mm below the hole per Ford spec, i fashioned my own tool from good old coat hangar. If you need one, I'lll make you one for $300! The white paint worked great for checking the level. good luck!
 
#69 ·
Hey guys! Greetings from Melbourne Australia :)

Just to revive this thread, I have a 2018 ZG Escape 2.0L ecoboost AWD with currently 23000kms on the clock. I just checked the rear diff out this morning and could see only two plugs which were removable. As said above, both look like a real PITA to get to. I've pictured them below as well.

What I would try is to use the torx plug drain/level to drain out all the fluid in there by jacking up only the rear right wheel so the oil flows out of that hole? What are your thoughts? I'm not really keen to vacuum unless it's a last resort. Drain is always cleaner than sucking out fluid.

Then I'll just fill from the rear plug which looks like a 3/8" socket wrench. I might use an adaptor that came with my oil filter wrench that makes the socket work with a 3/8" from a 1/2" socket and use a vice grip to crack the bolt.

I haven't looked at my PTU yet to see whether or not it has a drain bolt yet. My uncle has a hoist so that shouldn't be too bad to access. I'll do it on my next service to drain out and replace all the oil from the PTU and RDU with royal purple and not worry about it the rear diff for at least 50,000 KMs and the PTU for 30,000kms.

Another question is that after I drain the oil from the rear diff. I need to get it on the lift so I need to turn the car on to reverse 10 metres on to the lift. I know the transmission and PTU components still move even when the car is stationary, but does the rear diff spin as well? It shouldn't because it's stationary right? Surely moving the car 10 metres isn't going to damage the rear diff without oil...

Thanks for being patient with me. My first post :)
 

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#70 ·
I have a 2018 ZG Escape 2.0L ecoboost AWD with currently 23000kms on the clock.
Welcome to the forum- I live in Adelaide.

I'd be leaving it alone until the warranty expires (2023?) You haven't covered many kms to be concerned about contaminated oil. The bit circled in green I'd mention at your next service- it doesn't appear to be anything to worry about IMHO.

If you do change anything check in your service booklet if there are any Ford specifications the oils need to meet.
 
#71 ·
Hey mate. Yeah I'd definitely use the Mercon LV for the transmission fluid ($26/L) :eek: but ford said they do not have any ford oils for the rear diff and the PTU. So they said even they just use Castrol or Penrite.

Actually I drop all my oils early to get rid of the bedding material. I've only owned manual or fwd auto cars with the diff and tranny fluid all in one. I'm quite new to the AWD community and the on-going maintenance associated with them. I do try to keep all my cars as long as possible...

My fiesta ST I dropped the engine oil at 1000km and every 7500kms. tranny fluid at 5000kms and then every 50,000kms after that. I do track my car though and after 130,000km it still drives like I drove it outside ford :)
 
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Hey guys. Today I did my AWD Escape's servicing dropping the transmission fluid as well as the PTU.

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At 30,000kms... :eek::eek::eek:

Black sludge on magnet drain plug. Good thing is the oil still smelt like transmission oil and not burnt (therefore not broken down completely).

As mentioned above, T50 was used with a breaker bar to crack the plugs open. Some people mentioned T50 plus is better. The T50 doesn't fit too well and you may end up rounding the plug. Just ensure it's sit ALL the way it straight before to attempt to crack it loose.

So glad to have done this at this time to get rid of the bedding material... Filled it up with Australian made Penrite recommended 80w140 with a manual pump.

I'd probably leave it until 50,000km before I'll change it again and then every 50,000kms after that.

Thanks Ford, for thier "lifetime fluid" marketing. They didn't even have the genuine fluid for it at the counter! They did say just use Castrol/Penrite equivalent.

The car's real happy now with new fluid. Revs so much smoother and no harsh shifting on cold starts as well. Also the gears don't make a "clunking" noise when you shift from D to R (at stand still) and accelerate.

as for that RDU...
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this is the only fill/drain plug which has a clearance of 2-3cm from the rear frame. :mad:

No way I can get to it unless I angle grind off a 1/4 breaker bar and use that to break that plug.

There is this plug on one side of the RDU...
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Maybe I'd just jack up the car on the rear right and loosen this one to drain out the fluid and fill up again?

Well... At least I don't have to worry about this until 100,000kms. :giggle:

Moral of the story. Change the damn PTU fluid at least at 30,000kms.

Peace out. :cool:
 
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Maybe I'd just jack up the car on the rear right and loosen this one to drain out the fluid and fill up again?
I believe that plug is lower than the plug on the rear by the sub frame. I wouldn’t remove that one until you can get the fill plug out. I tried taking that side plug out on an old junk unit and completely stripped the plug it was so tight.
 
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Hello from Brazil. I'd like to change the fluid of my PTU and RDU but we don't have the OEM motorcraft fluids here in Brazil. The dealerships use castrol 80w90 for the RDU and 75w for the PTU (yes, 75W, not 75w140). I bought valvoline 75w140 for the PTU (but did not change it yet) and I don't know if I should use mineral valvoline 80w90 or syntetich valvoline 75w90 for the RDU. The syntetich one has additives for limited slip differentials, wich I think could be important for the clutches of the RDU. What do you suggest? Thanks for your help, sorry if it's a little off topic.
 
#86 ·
The active torque coupling where the viscous plates are located is a sealed unit. Changing the fluid in the RDU only replaces the fluid where the pinion gears and the like are located.
 
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I didn't know that. I wanted to change the fluid because I'm getting a clunk when the car disengages the RDU. Usually after cornering or after giving some gas. The car is only 30k miles. So I think I will only change the PTU fluid, since the RDU fluid will not solve the problem. Thank you very much.
 
#87 ·
Welcome to the forum @MauroBR .

A proper synthetic would definitely be better if you can find it. Do you get Redline oils in Brazil? They make some better quality synthetic oils.

Redline recommend this for the PTU 75W140 GL-5 Gear Oil and this for the RDU 75W90 GL-5 Gear Oil
 
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I agree with the other posters that a 75W140 synthetic is vital to the PTU because it runs so hot and holds so little oil. I don't know if there is anywhere in Brazil with cool weather but in warm or hot weather, that PTU would run even hotter. IMO, you should do what you must to get some really good synthetic 75W140 in that PTU, even if you have to order it from outside the country.
 
#93 ·
Changing the fluid in the diff on a 3G model is difficult as apparently you have to remove part of the car frame to get at the drain/fill hole so I have not worried about it.
Hopefully the fluid will last the life of the car ...40,000 miles so far.