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my gf is looking a ford escape phev. what mileage does everyone get on phev escape? she drive 100 miles a day for work.

thanks

Well, there are so many things to consider: highway or city driving; can she charge at her destination; what is the temperature outside because when it gets cold, you can lose half the the battery mileage. I live in Canada and do lots of local driving, but from what I have seen on forums, people have been getting 40ish mpg. This past week I went back and forth to work (about 20km a day) and didn't use a drop of gas, even if it was cold outside. Since I bought the car, I am at about 4L/100km, which translates into 58mpg on average.

 

Too many variables. My commute is 60mi and I average 100mpg charging only at work. With mixed highway/city driving and no electric charge I average 47mpg.

 

I have a 2021 PHEV purchased in September. Since new, have 2,305 miles on it, 2017 miles of which are all electric, and MPG indicates 87.5. Recent MPG much better than the average shown since I defeated the Hill Assist setting, now the ICE doesn't come on unless I "ask" it to by selecting one of the other settings than EV Now. I have a home charger (ChargePoint) and use it several times per week providing an all-electric range of anywhere from 30-35 miles (occasional cold weather here in DFW impacts that). FYI, I have a 2022 Escape Hybrid with 496 miles on it, 201 of which are electric (40.5%). MPG indicates 42.0.

 

My BEV Hybrid is averaging 52 MPG so I wonder IF I upgraded in 2023 model to PHEV would I see much improvement?

 

I recently purchased the escape phev and I am driving for about a month now.

I love in Michigan and this past month it has been below freezing most of the time and the battery only is giving me 18 miles which is far below the EPA rated 37. Is it the case with others, and I have done some research and seen that electric cars take a maximum hit of upto 30%, but here it's more like 55%.

One more thing which I noticed was, when I go to average electric Efficiency, it says the car is getting 2.5 miles/KWh and max range thus would be 25 miles. I am not getting that 25 but the most confusing part is the battery pack in escape phev is stated at 14.4 KWh, and this would mean only 10kwh of battery is usable.

Another issue is that I am getting better gas mileage on the highway than in the city which was also wierd.

Please share your experiences and is this normal behavior or is there something wrong here. If nothing is wrong and this is expected any tips that you might want to share would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

 

I recently purchased the escape phev and I am driving for about a month now.

I love in Michigan and this past month it has been below freezing most of the time and the battery only is giving me 18 miles which is far below the EPA rated 37. Is it the case with others, and I have done some research and seen that electric cars take a maximum hit of upto 30%, but here it's more like 55%.

One more thing which I noticed was, when I go to average electric Efficiency, it says the car is getting 2.5 miles/KWh and max range thus would be 25 miles. I am not getting that 25 but the most confusing part is the battery pack in escape phev is stated at 14.4 KWh, and this would mean only 10kwh of battery is usable.

Another issue is that I am getting better gas mileage on the highway than in the city which was also wierd.

Please share your experiences and is this normal behavior or is there something wrong here. If nothing is wrong and this is expected any tips that you might want to share would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

I merged your thread with this existing thread on the same topic.

 

105 mile round trip commute here. Getting about 30 miles of EV miles on the way to work (highway miles, about 40° F). Averaging around 40 MPG when the battery is depleted. To work and back that averages to about 60 MPG of gas usage for each commute. Expecting this to rise a bit as it warms up outside.

 

I just drove 1200 miles from Florida to Chicago with the battery set to reserve the 15 miles of charge it had.

The fuel mileage solely under hybrid operation was as low as 30 mpg.for a 170 mile segment going 80 mph against a 25 to 30+ mph headwind on flat land in Indiana. The power meter for that segment hovered between 40 to 50 kw.

On other segments, the mpg got as high as 38- 40+ mpg with somewhat of a tailwind and at speeds from 65 - 70 mph.

Driving through the mountains seemed to improve mpg since the engine would turn off for extended periods of time going down hill and charge the battery.

The mileage numbers above do not include mileage gained by consuming the charge level of the Li-ion battery. I believe that the Escape incorrectly mixes gas mileage and battery mileage together. Unless you charge off of solar panels on your house, the electric operation miles are not free and shouldn’t inflate the reported mpg so much.

In my case, it costs conservatively $1.72 to drive 40 miles (one full charge) on electric only. That assumes $0.146 per kWhr electricity cost from Duke Energy (including all taxes and fees) and assumes a 10.4 kWhr Li-ion charge with a charging efficiency of 90%.

 

So, you're paying approximately 4.3 cents per mile in energy costs on electric only correct? How does that compare when you're regular hybrid mode?

I'm trying to figure out how much savings I could expect with an Escape PHEV vs regular hybrid.

 

Here is a Link on what can be done to improve EV range: How to Drive FEHP/FEH the Best Range and MPG
My range goes between 39 mi. and 53 mi.

Paul

 

The biggest deal is if are going less than the range of EV Now and then can charge up again so you aren't using gas a FEHP will save you money, with TAX Credit they cost the same.

Paul

 

The biggest deal is if are going less than the range of EV Now and then can charge up again so you aren't using gas a FEHP will save you money, with TAX Credit they cost the same.

Paul

Can't see the Tax Credit helping me much. Thought the larger battery might increase my MPG. . . My BEV has been VERY good to this retiree.

 

Probably wise to stay with it then.

Paul

 

Noticed about a 20% lose in range from last month after temps dropped about 15-20C. Also had the Engine start and warm up with the "Engine enabled for system performance" message today. Not entirely sure why, it's been this cold before (30F), had lots of charge. The only thing that seemed suspicious was I was down to 50km gas range left, which turned it orange. And the engine enabled message was also orange. But I don't know why they'd want to run the gas engine purposely when your low on fuel. Other than to make go fill up rather than sit near empty.

 

AFAIK all the BEV also keep a buffer at the top and bottom end. Though as you say, PHEV likely have a bigger buffer at the bottom for running as hybrid after. I'd guess that to be 5 percent or so. I believe most hybrids are about 1KW, but sit at 50% charge.

 

You can run a BEV to almost zero SoC. There might be a percent or two remaining that can't be used, but it's not the same as a PHEV or HEV, where the computer ensures the battery never drops below a configured number. Since the battery can be damaged if it were truly drained to zero, an EV car will stop working before it reaches it. Almost all of them can still be driven past zero miles on the GOM, but in most cases you're talking less than 10 additional miles. For a PHEV, since you can't drain the battery that low, we have no way of knowing exactly how much buffer there is at the top and bottom.

 

It sounds like the Mach-E has about 10% as buffer. You can see the SoC on the Escape, it's roughly 15% to 93% from empty to full charge. You can also see the voltage. Just need an odb2 reader.

 

In charging from a value of 0% to 100%, the highest kWh I've seen in the charger log is 11.97.

 

A PHEV never runs the battery to zero, so your number is likely reflecting the amount the battery retains to continue HEV operation once the EV range is used up. My Niro PHEV would switch over to HEV mode at 16% battery remaining.

 

Yeah, I would expect the app to only report what actually goes into the battery, so charging losses are not included. Since I have a JuiceBox Pro in my garage, I can see the total energy sent to the car. Not certain if any EVSE loss is included. Your Kill-a-watt will measure exactly what came out of the wall, including all losses anywhere in the charging chain.

 

Not certain if any EVSE loss is included. Your Kill-a-watt will measure exactly what came out of the wall, including all losses anywhere in the charging chain.

Interestingly, the FORD OEM L1 EVSE has about 4 to 5 times more "phantom" draw when it is plugged into the wall but not into the car compared to my previous Toyota L1 EVSE. I noticed this when I had the Kill-a-Watt meter reset to 0.00 and had the EVSE still plugged into it, but not being used for charging. After a few days, it was reading 0.13kWh. This never happened with my previous Toyota OEM L1 EVSE. The most it used by itself was 0.01kWh in 24 hours. So, I now unplug the EVSE from the Kill-a-Watt meter when not used.

 

My EVSE is hard wired, so no unplugging. Besides, my utility gave me the EVSE for free in return for their monitoring of my charging patterns. And if I charge within preferred time periods, I get a $10 monthly credit on my bill. Since that's anywhere from 25-40% of the electricity I use in a month, it's a pretty good deal. But I have no idea if it has any phantom power draw, beyond the communications module it uses to talk with my utility.

 

But I have no idea if it has any phantom power draw, beyond the communications module it uses to talk with my utility.

I was surprised that the FORD OEM EVSE draws that much since it has no communication capability. But as far as the cost goes that's only 0.04-0.05kWh/day. Even at our very high electricity rate of $0.28/kWh, it is only $0.42/month. Nothing to worry about. I am sure our TV and other sleeping electronics use more "phantom" electricity when they are off.

 

There must be something wrong with my 2022 PHEV mpg indicator, according to it I've been getting great mileage for my electric and gas use. I leave the driving setting

to Auto which combines gas/hybrid and the electric

 

Why do you think something wrong? You run out of the EV range and run on HV. Don't see anything off.

 

My wife gets 55-65 MPG running about 50% electric miles. She fills up the gas every 500 miles or so and we spend up to $25/month on electricity to charge it. According to the June charging report (generated by our charger) the car wanted 206 kWh across 24 charging sessions.