[wiz043]

Where did you get the 100,000 number from? Were these both 1.5 and 2.0 engines total, or this is the 2.0 only?.. That is a large number either way. You would think this class action suit by now would and should be settled by now somehow.. A complete reimbursement for engines that have been replaced, and an extended warranty for those that haven't been..

Over 200,000 recalled according to this report which mainly refers to Fusion and Lincoln engines but to my knowledge they are the same EcoBoost type as the Escape which is also mentioned in the report.

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As mentioned Ford have enough money and recources to continually delay any class actions.

 

[zzyzzx]

I wanted to speculate on why maybe the 2.0 is failing (coolant leak into cylinder) less frequently than the 1.5 (2017 - 2019) and see if anyone has any comments or other thoughts. So far my conclusion/outlook is that yes, there are some of the 2.0s that are failing however the fail rate sounds like it is significantly less than the 1.5. I went to two dealers in my area and they said all of their 2017 and up coolant to cylinder failures are on 1.5s. However, for both the 2.0 and 1.5, Ford made modifications to the block design in 2020, removing the coolant slit between the cylinders, to help remedy these leaks.

I am speculating that the 2.0 has fewer problems because 1) Maybe the block and head do not get as hot since it does not have to work as hard and there is less movement from thermal expansion and contraction. of the cylinder walls relative to the head at the sealing surface? 2) Maybe the smallest width dimension of sealing surfaces between the cylinder and slit are slightly larger for the 2.0? I have no data to support either of these but thought maybe someone visiting this forum may have this information. I would love to hear your opinion about why you think maybe the 2.0 has a lower failure rate, if in fact that turns out to be true over time. Thanks,

My theory is that the failure rate on the 2.0L is lower because it isn't stressed as much as the smaller engines, and if that's the case, vehicles with AWD would also fail more often FWD vehicles.

 

[fe10da]

I had my ‘18 Escape in for the long block replacement. Out of warranty, so it wasn’t pretty. But 35K miles later and still appears to be doing well!

I’ve been considering another 3G Escape. And ensuring I find one with the engine already replaced, with the VEP sticker on it. And while looking, I’ve started to see a few Edges that caught my eye. The 19-2346 TSB says this cylinder head problem only affects 2015-2018 Edges. How do I know if a 2018 Edge has the newer version of this motor, like the Escapes? Am I still looking for a VEP coded decal?

I’m looking at a 2019 Edge Titanium today. Carfax shows it had a long block install in 2022 at 67K miles. Sure sounds like the same coolant intrusion problem?? Or were there other issues that plagued the 2019 model year Edges?

 

[murcod]

Am I still looking for a VEP coded decal?

The engine being made in the Valencia plant isn't a guarantee there won't be intrusion issues. Here in Australia, all the Escapes sold were made in Valencia and there have been multiple reports of coolant intrusion. The engine build date would be the best way to sort the good ones. I think it was sometime in 2020 when the issue was fixed- there are dates mentioned in older posts.

Or look for a 2.0l EcoBoost made before the update (before 2016 facelift) that's fitted with the original 2.0l EcoBoost - not the updated twin scroll version.

 

[fe10da]

Thanks @murcod. Today’s venture out to the Ford dealer did indeed result in the 2019 having the newer version of the 2.0L installed, with a build date of May 3rd, 2022. But…there were so many other things wrong with it, so we walked away. Pic of the engine decal is attached.

The dealership did have a very nice looking 2017 there also. Great condition, low miles. But it had its original 2017 engine. Way too risky, so walked away from that one too.